It's NOT done all the time, and that is simply bullshit. Any athlete that has a legit TRAINED 36-38" SVJ started out with a 30-32+. Show us your data, and show us the video of the jump test method you use.
I'm gonna side with Mark on this for the most part for a couple simple reasons:
1. To jump 36" or higher one has to have the combination of a ton of strength and decent reactive ability( fluid in the movement),
to SVJ 36 you need decent reactive ability? nope.. some of the most horribly reactive individuals can SVJ into the 40's. it's an explosive strength dominated effort, not reactive.[/quote]
Maybe that's true, but that would be very rare, you have to be a great athlete in order to jump 40" SVJ..
many lifters have the strength to jump that high but don't have the reactive ability, on the other hand many athletes training for it just do not have the mindset to not give up as it will take a very long time to gain 8 or more inches on your SVJ.
nope.. if you can't jump 36+, then you don't have the strength for it.. let's not forget that a number such as "2.5xBW squat" means nothing unless time is taken into account.. so if you complete your 2.5xBW squat in 4 seconds, then you definitely don't have the strength to jump 36 etc.. so numbers become irrelevant if speed is not taken into account.
as for people who give up, we don't include them in the conversation, rippetoe might, i don't.
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I can't jump 36"+, yet I definitely have the strength to do so, I mean I'd account that to never practicing the movement, but still it goes deeper than just having the strength for it. And of course it goes deeper than numbers, I've never been one for the numbers game, I'm more for strength..
2. A 36" SVJ jump is a ridiculously high jump and for the most part it takes a naturally good athlete to get to that level. I am not saying that most athletes can't get there, but it will be a much tougher road. Off the top of my head I can count a handful of athletes on this site ( A site dedicated to increasing vert) that has that high of a SVJ or even has the strength cabability to jump that high. It is a very small amount of people.
well from what i remember steven-miller was never a good SVJ'r prior to training, he's gotten so much stronger it's insane, and now jups 35-36" SVJ.
you went from ~35" RVJ to ~45" RVJ..
how does "only a handful of people" give credit to your argument? if only one person can prove it is possible, then it is possible for all humans for the most part.. how hard the other humans are willing to work & how consistent they are becomes the key difference in whether or not someone will realize their true potential or just quit and have fun playing sports without focusing on performance improvement.
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I never said it was impossible, I said for the most part this is true for the reasons I listed. It can happen, but it takes tons of work, and most athletes simply can't do it..
But besides that, Mark is pretty much ignorant and wants to remain that way, but that was one thing he said that I liked.
he has no knowledge of the advanced methods of SPP yet tells people 36+ is a limit for "average athletes", makes no sense.. how can you know what the limit is if you have never truly tested someone's limits? you can't test someone's limits through squatting & GOMAD, that's BEGINNER LEVEL shit.. and imo, gomad is detrimental unless you really need the mass for sport, such as football or sumo wrestling.
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Mark's ego has gotten a bit too big, and he should definitely not be given advice outside of his realm of knowledge which is beginner level shit, I'll still rep Starting Strength as the go to book for all beginner lifters, it is a great book to learn from.
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