Melo is a sick athlete that knows how to use his body extremely well, has an unstoppable J, amazing footwork, quickness, touch and toughness, that's pretty much it. Melo is still clutch, too. Take his shot away and he's still the shit.
fixed smh
Edit: Has to posted <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzsAi1a1rog" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzsAi1a1rog</a>
Thomas' quarter I was talking about, dude checks in @ 1:25 after severely spraining his ankle and just finds a way to still dominate the game; pure determination.
Sleepy Floid, one of the most relentless quarters ever played, watch from about 6 minute mark. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5x0Ve4pUk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5x0Ve4pUk</a>
Was going to post Isiah's quarter first against the lakers first, but can't find a decent video as of yet.
The thing about your argument about KD getting 30 a night with a scoring PG is flawed. Yes, Westbrook takes a lot of shots, but he also gets 8+ assists. But the point is, why can't KD get 30 with Westbrook also getting 25-30, when the 3 other starters are freakin Perkins/Ibaka/Sefolosha LOLL. Honestly, I cringe at that starting lineup offensively. Sefolosha is limited to only defense, same with Perkins, and Ibaka has some scoring ability, but he's still not reliable.
True, but this works both ways, it's pretty clear Perkins/Ibaka/Sefolosha won't create any shot for Durant (other then setting great picks, ie. Perkins), so the argument about Durant not being able to create his own shot is flawed as well. And well, talking about Westbrook, it's cause and effect really. I'm not a huge Westbrook fan, his decision making is questionable at most and his passing is not that impressive at all. The question is, is KD being good off the ball, or Westbrook creating great shots for KD? We can't really tell, but from watching the games I asume the first option is more suitable.
I like your argument about KD not having an inside presence, and that is true. I don't like the argument of KD being leading scorer of team USA though. He was appointed superstar of the team before it even started and they didn't get anyone in the league on his level that year. If he was on the 08 Redeem team, it would have been different, which of course you'll agree to as well.
True, I say Anthony get's at least as many if not more good looks because of Billups and Stoudamire as Durant does off of Westbrook and Harden. USA team argument was weak, I agree, dude did put on a show out there though.
I might have exaggerated KD's tendency to jack up 3's, but I'm saying I have seen him one too many times in pressure moments, when he is confused, without a go-to move except his infamous pull up 3 from wherever on the floor he is, even if it's 5 feet behind the arc.
I'll take Carmelo in the clutch over anyone btw. Stats prove it. He proves it night in night out. He is a killer in the clutch. KD in the clutch = "oh shit what do I do, I'll just jack it up right now" Melo in the clutch = "Too easy, I can take it to the hole, pull up, whatever I want"
So would I, Anthony is one of the most impressive clutch performers I've ever seen. And while Durant isn't nearly as impressive in that aspect, you're definately exaggerating KD's lack of clutchness, dude get's to the line in pressure situations often and comes through. Hate those pullup threes as well.
Again, it's close, 1-1 I'd take Anthony any day, but if I needed a pure scorer on my team out of anyone in the world and had to choose the most effective and consistant one I'd definately pick Durant. That's why I say he's the best scorer in basketball today.
Doesn't make me a fan by any means, hate watching 7 footers doing a shorter guys job like myself. Dude's talent is out of this world though.
Anyways, I don't even care for NBA players this much hah, back to the topic at hand. Ray Allen zonin' out: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkd-gPyeub8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkd-gPyeub8</a>
LOL. I'll explain my opinion. Kevin Durant is a GREAT, and I repeat GREAT shooter. I don't believe scoring champion = greatest scorer. KD's ball handling is not good enough for him to consistently create for himself. A lot of his shots come off picks and catch and shoots. Maybe I'll value him more, if he was shooting like 50% FG, because 50% playing the way he does, you can argue he's scoring to be efficient. Also, did you watch the Thunder in the playoffs? People were hating on Westbrook for jacking up shots, but he HAS to. No one else can create on the team that well, except James Harden. Whenever KD got the ball, he literally just jacked up a 3 from wherever he was. He also struggles with physical defense. He lacks a post game in the NBA.
Melo on the other hand, thrives against physical defense. Has arguably the best post game for a perimeter player. Has an UNSTOPPABLE mid range game. He catches the ball, triple threat 20 feet out, just send the double team already. He has better handles, and can crossover and create for himself much easier. His 3 pt shot, while not as good as KD, is still pretty good. He finishes with the best of them at the basket too. He literally is GOOD at EVERY aspect of scoring.
KD on the other hand, is NOT GOOD at creating for himself, against physical defense, ball handling, post game. I feel that, without a good PG and unselfish teammates who can set good picks for him, he won't be as dangerous, although still quite dangerous because I do see him as a top 10 NBA player.
I see your point, but I have to disagree.
You're saying KD needs a pg? He's got arguably the most scoring minded PG in the NBA and is still putting up 30 a night. Let's look at dude's playoff performances this year. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7NQOtMDwhQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7NQOtMDwhQ</a> I counted one three of a semi-drive and an tough floater off a feed. That's it, on 42 points. All of his other points came from 1-1 situations, creating off the dribble/in the post or working against double teams. It's a single game, I know, but there's this misconception that Durant just jacks up shots, he creates a lot of quality looks all by himself. What's more impressive, is he does not have an inside scoring presence on his team, all attention goes to the backcourt. There's no Stoudamire and no high octane fastbreak D'Antoni-type offense for instance.
However, I'll have to agree he gets more looks from others creating for him, just 'cause he's so adapt at a catch n shoot type of game. Dude also has quite a lot of turnovers, so yes, I agree he's not as adapt as creating off the dribble as say Anthony. However, in my opinion, dude is much better at creating an oppertunity to score off the ball, uses screens very well and is a constant threat, while Anthony is more of a spectator at times. I feel that you're underating that aspect of scoring . Scoring =/= best 1 on 1 player. I agree Anthony is a better 1-1 player, but I do feel Durant is the better scorer.
So as I already mentioned it's kind of a toss up between Anthony and Durant right now, the stats point towards Durant* and I feel a scorer that doesn't need the ball in it's hands all the time is a more effective one, that's why I give Durant the edge. *
GP MPG PTS FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% 1 Kevin Durant , OKC 17 42.5 28.6 9.1-20.3 .449 2.2-6.4 .339 8.2-9.8 .838 5 Carmelo Anthony , NYK 4 38.9 26.0 8.2-22.0 .375 2.2-6.5 .346 7.2-8.5 .853
Also - Dude is the league leader in free-throw attempts. Jacking up threes much? Meh. - Dude is the most consistent scorer in the game today; http://nba-facts-and-rumors.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/27030243 - Dude was the leading scorer on the NBA squad by far that won gold in Turkey, has to count for something.
wade over kobe at scoring 2011 playoffs vs memphis /mavs
Yup, why not? Wade drives the lane as well as anyone I've ever seen and finishes with the best of them, midrange goes to Kobe tho, but after seeing him chucking and missing fadeaways over frikkin Jason Kidd 38 year ole ass and settling for pullup threes way too much, I'm going to give Wade the edge. I might be slightly influenced by being such a Kobe fan tho, I've watched so many of his games and even though he's still one of the best scorers in the game @ 15 years in the league, I hate seeing him detoriate in front of my eyes like this.
Oh and @ 81 point-game haters, that kind of defense is actually one they use all the time on superstars. They want to make sure the superstar takes all the shots, which 99% of the time takes their teammates out of the game. Defense suffers, teammates hesitate or become overagressive on offense, chemistry drops. "You can't win a game all by yourself", right? Superstars are bound to get tired and lose focus at some point, that's when you take advantage. Dude just never let up though, extremely relentless and impressive.
That 2011 playoffs comment was directed @ Durant? Dude was the playoff's leading scorer with 29 @ .45% whututalkinboutbro? Carmello was at 38%, Kobe was at 23 pts. Only two dudes that were close statistically were Dirk and Wade. Care to explain?
...and FWIW, I wasn't comparing Durants 66 to Kobe's 81.
^^ this.
PERSONAL OPINION ALERT! Between Kobe and Durant right now I'd def go with Durant as a pure scorer. I'm a huge Kobe fan, but I don't like his transition to the post as much and but he's just not as good off the ball in my opinion. Same with Melo, even though his post game is clearly better. As pure scorers, I'd say they're about even, but since Durant's game does not require holding the ball for about 4-5 seconds before jacking up a (good) shot, I'd still rather take him over Anthony. Durant's ability to get to the FT line is also unmatched by anyone in the league imo. Also, dude is like SEVEN FEET TALL WTF
After this post season, you could also make a good case for Dirk, as his %s were incredible, but he's not as good on the break. Other than that I'd say they're about the same level scoring wise as well, even though they're very different players.
Wade shouldn't be forgotten either.
My Top 5 scorers in the league right now, let's see yours 1. Kevin Durant 2. Carmello Anthony 3. Dirk Nowitzki 4. Wade 5. Lebron/Kobe
I am not talking complete players here though; defensively, rebounding and playmaking wise, Dirk and Durant are nowhere near Lebron or Kobe imo. Just talking about the pure ability to consistently put the ball into the hoop at an effective rate.
Let's see your opinion brah, interested.
Ontopic, sweet post Raptor, was over the course of an entire game though. If we're talking a longer duration of zones;
Personal favourite: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rto2_oYVs0I" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rto2_oYVs0I</a>
Second half is just unreal, just look at the ATL bench from the three minute mark and on.
hah, was just editing my previous post with T-mac, strange I forgot about that one. Actually bought his jersey back in the day just because of those couple of seconds.
True, Kobe's 81 points is far more impressive than any summergame performance I could possibly think of. Defense wasn't that bad either (even though they should've doubled before dude hit 50 smh) re-watch the game.
However, I wasn't getting at the 81/total performance. Durant was just dropping straight Bombs, see where he shot that last one from? That's a PULLUP over a semi-double team, two steps over mid-court, I've never seen anyone hit 5 straight from that distance in any game, as impressive as a zone as I've ever seen
Closest thing I could think of is Prince in college (start = 1 minute mark): <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ_8z9Zizek" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ_8z9Zizek</a>
Or maybe Lebron: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyd4NPvzKQg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyd4NPvzKQg</a>
Dropping 66 @ Rucker park a couple days ago: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SWfJe9dLG8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SWfJe9dLG8</a>
Skip to 2:55 for an un-edited massacre, dude is an absolute monstrosity.
thanks alot man, but just in case you didn't know.. im not losing any sleep over anything etc.. im fine
havnt stressed over any of the stuff on startingstrength forum also
i'd rather not have typed that in this thread but it seems alot of people are "worrying" about my comments etc.. you must place them in proper context of the situation :F
i never have, nor ever will care what anyone is saying about me.. i do what i love, try to motivate others, and that's it... if you ever see my "type" or "say" otherwise, it's for some other reason :F .......................................... perhaps entertainment.............. HEH.
peace man, appreciate the concern but im good.
Yooooouuuu mahfucka you! Sarcastic, trollin-ass bastid, got our Adarq.org-panties all up in a bunch.
I hate you now, go cry more plz.
Also, I haven't watched all of the vids, but in at least 6538 of them I spotted a welltimed "Wuthahelluhatinfobra?!" inevitably followed by the alltime classic "Fucdahatesdaw". That's a huge ass troll if you ask me, so either you have planned this thing for years to make this shit more believable or you're just straight talking outcha ass.
Andrew, it's time to man the f*ck up and stop worrying about someone else's opinion on you. This is YOUR insecurity speaking, let it the f*ck go. Noise can't hurt or influence you or your performance. In stead of being so concerned with what some random people you'll never meet in real life think of you because of some videos you put out, you should worry more about your opinion on yourself and not waste any energy on this sh*t.
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