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what did i just read.. lol

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / w7,d1
« on: June 13, 2012, 06:41:39 am »
Training
Sq 3x6 102.5
Basketball game - 40mins no subs
BP 3x6 77

Ok, i've decided if we are going to lose games every week, i'm going to go down swinging. There is no reason why i'm taking < 5 FGA a game, when i'm easily the best player on the team by far. Will play tonight as though it's my last game ever. Superstar mode enabled. brb getting our first win.

Didn't win :( But i did everything i could.. frustrating. we were within 6 points (amazing for us) towards the end, i got a steal in the last 30 sec, and quickly went up for a layup, got fouled, just missed the layup .. if i had hit it, and made the and1 wud have had a chance to take a 3 to tie the game. but alas it wasn't to be. turnovers killed us, stupid ones too, like being called for carrying the ball.. scrub level mistakes. it was discouraging to play solid defense, run back on o, and just watch us turn over the ball...

looks wise, had to practically beg for the ball .. i think i've pissed off our point guard cos he doesn't want to pass to me :( honestly what we're missing right now is a decent shooting guard. we need a guard who can score.. atm our one half ok guard is reluctant to play point, he just doesn't give a fuck about running the ball. i don't blame him, we don't have the best candidates for passes lol. but even when he does decide to pass, he takes a million seconds before deciding to pass, which pisses me off cos i like a fast paced style gane and don't like it when the defense has too long to figure out what's going on: just pass is quickly!!.. if you take too long, i dont even want the ball anymore lol. our other guard is a highly functioning retard.. he can barely get from one side of the court to the other without turning it over.. so sad .. :(

There was a point at half time when the scores were teh same. We have a quick chat at the break, and a team mates is saying 'good job guys, your position on D was perfect' and im thkning no shit, i've played my heart out,  blocked every single shot inside, helped out my team mate at the right wing, and boxed out for rebounds perfectly.. it wasn't an accidient! but what i really wanted to say was, you faggots need to pass me the ball more, how else do you think we will score? And of course you can't say that because it's impolite and greedy .. but it's also the truth lol!!!  im fairly sure i scored at least half of my teams points despite having too few shots :/

have started asking around if there any teams looking for players. i watched a game after us and someone told me they possibly needed an extra player. but although they are 10x better than my current team, i don't think i'd fit in there.. they are still a bit too shit, even though i'm not looking for a too polished team either. will keep looking! i just don't think people respond well to random guys approaching them to join their team. I asked one team which i like and who beat us a few weeks back if they needed a player. and he seemed receptive, said sometimes they need a sub, but when i asked him if he wanted my phone number he said, i'll just see you next week yeh? lol.. so he was just humouring me.

oh fuck in all my rambling dear diary above, i forgot to mention conditioning was much improved even playing the full game without sitting out. we don't stop much either since there were few foul calls and no time outs either. i'm ascribing it to the 5km i ran last week, so it's clearly helping with aerobic fitness. so this week i'm gonna try to run ~6km.

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Upper body stuff is missing , don't totally nelglect it ,

Yeah. It's not a bad idea to put the upper body lifts on maintenance (reduce volume as much as possible while maintaining bar weight) while you focus on lower body.

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Quote from: Kellyb
good nervous systemslow nervous system and good natural strength levels your potential gains might be towards the lower end. In summary you have to identify what "type" of athlete you are and just do what you can do with what you have to work with.

Very good article. Just wondering, how do you tell apart someone with a slow or good nervous system?

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Basketball / Re: mile time
« on: June 11, 2012, 06:35:06 am »
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Intervals would be a more useful measure of fitness for basketball, but still wouldn't be great honestly.  Still something like run 50 meters, 30 second walkback to the line and run 60 meters the other way, repeat 5 times and calculate total running time would be a lot better.

Yeah, I came across something similar from  Kelly B - he gives the following drill:

3x the following -
2x30 yard sprints
30 yard jog

then walk 30y and repeat 3-5x.

I am guessing this might take 5-7 minutes, but a game isn't played for such a short duration. it's longer, so this can't be the complete answer. Would expect it better to first work on having aerobic fitness to run a full game first, then add in the intervals to work on the specific higher intensity movements?

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Basketball / Re: mile time
« on: June 11, 2012, 06:27:40 am »

Don't that statistic but even if it's true, the average basketball player doesn't run 5 miles a game he MOVES five miles a game.  He does that jogging, running, sprinting down a 25 meter court, walking, standing around during free throws, etc.  Because of this the energy systems used are completely different than those used in a mile run, so the comparison isn't useful. 

OK, the argument goes something like this - With a good aerobic base an athlete running up and down the court is in the effortless aerobic zone, not from sustaining an anaerobic  state which exhausts and fatigues and kills performance. This means when the player needs to apply high intensity (eg, sprinting or jumping etc) he's not doing so from an overly fatigued state from the usual up and down. Being fatigued would stop him being able to run as fast, or jump as high when chasing down the ball.

I've heard studies reference that basketball is a mainly aerobic activity. Yes of course there are anaerobic situations, which you'd expect but the vast majority of the game takes place in the aerobic zone. So that's why it's important for a basketball player to have a good aerobic base which allows him to do most of the running effortlessly and aerobically.

TLDR: A guy who can run aerobically for 20-40 minutes at game pace (not including fast breaks and the like) is fitter than someone who can't and has to go quickly into and stay in an aerobic state during a game.

I agree with you that specialising in running a great mile might not do much for a basketball player. But i'm more interested in finding a good test for aerobic fitness for a basketball player.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / w6,d3
« on: June 10, 2012, 01:03:42 pm »
Training
SQ 3,2x117.5; 1x116
BP 4x79.5, 4x79
PR 3x55
3km in 26mins @ 7km/hr

incremental progress in squatting.. repeat same weight next sunday, hopefully i'll get 3x3 with good form then.
BP did some 4s today and some presses for the first time, felt okish, should be able to work up steadily in weight next coupla weeks. I am told press loves frequency and bp loves volume, so i might do press every workout and work up to a heavy triple, then finish it off with a bunch of volume in BP for 6+ reps.

The run was a bit harder than i expected.. the pace might be too high but all the same this tells me i'm currently fit enough to run for 25 mins straight and cover 3km, which can't be that bad. As a goal, i'm thinking being able to run an effortless 5km in 30mins will be a great goal. If i have that kind of fitness that should mean a decent aerobic base such that conditioning for basketball is adequate. 

This week i ran 5km total, starting from 0km/week normally. I'm kickign myself for not adding running earlier, it's probably the best thing i have done training wise in years. it will get me leaner, fitter, and more athletic. why didn't i think of it sooner?

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Basketball / Re: mile time
« on: June 09, 2012, 04:02:51 am »
But the average player runs 5 miles during a game?

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Basketball / mile time
« on: June 08, 2012, 11:25:16 am »
What's a good mile time for a basketball player

a. as a best effort kind of thing
b. as something he should be able to do any time
c. something he should do often in his training as GPP
d. if a mile is too short to mean anything, then give an alternative distance and time

just looking for guidelines here, i'm going to google around too and post what I come across here for discussion, checking etc.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / w6,d2
« on: June 08, 2012, 10:26:18 am »
Training
SQ 3x5 111kg
BP 10x69.5 (PR)
DL 3x130kg
RDL 8x 80,75kg
2km run in 20 mins @  6km/hr , 2 incline - covered

SQ was very hard and form was awful. BP I didn't have any idea what weights/reps/sets to do today, so casually worked up to a max of 95kg which I didn't try to get off my chest, i knew i was going to fail it. Should have gone with 92kg but it's all good. I haven't got any programming for friday bench. I'm just going to freestyle it? Might start playing with overhead presses too. Why not? Set a new 10RM on BP which is welcome within my new training philosophy that any progress is great, whether for reps or for weight. Interestingly when I failed the 95kg, i could wiggle under it easily, which means i've lost a fair bit of weight since the last time I got pinned down it was a big struggle crawling out. One day i'll get that 100kg close grip BP and i'll be happy, till then, keep adding reps and see where it takes me, so far it's working, i feel much better underneath the bar and my form is solid and progress with reps seems to be coming along nicely.

DL sucked. The weights are very light and fly up, but my form sucks, with horrible back position both at the start of the lift and putting the bar down. I don't know why I bother with this exercise. Am thinking now to make the RDL the main exercise and let DL be an assistance one. My RDLs look picture perfect compared to DL. That way i'll get the benefits of doing a hip hinge ex correctly from the RDL and I can probably start doing rack pulls then to still keep pulling heavy just with good form. Why not?

Oh and I did Chins before DL today which worked quite well, so keep doing that too.

No sprinting today because it has been raining and the grass will be wet.

Randomly decided to do aerobic work, feels good man. I should do this 3x a week on every training day. Why not? It's great.

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Please summarize for us why the author thinks that you can build strength better with high reps as opposed to low reps.

The author doesn't argue that anywhere.

Here is what he does claim ..  comments in parenthesis mine not the authors

Why HIIT makes you less explosive (doing HIIT means working at a lower intensity, and since it's further from maximal attempts it wont make you more explosive)
● Why aerobic doesn’t equal long distance runs (you can do 20-30 min aerobic workouts that give most of the aerobic benefits)
● Why aerobic training doesn’t take hours (see above)
● Why HIIT is a bad way to burn calories (workouts too  brief, not much work is done, EPOC is neglible)
● Why EPOC is overblown (see above)
● Why HIIT isn’t more “natural” (caveman/hunter argument, meh, neither here nor there)
● Why aerobic training is natural (see above)
● Why aerobic work makes you look like a sprinter, not a marathon runner (sprinters actually end up doing a lot of aerobic work in their training as well as the maximal stuff)
● Why HIIT doesn’t burn more fat (calories burnt less than from a good aerobic session)

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rely brosefs.. i don't see anyone logging road work or even talking about it anywhere on the forum. not saying people don't do it, or abide by aerobic work just don't see it being stressed or emphasised much.

if you were are talking about the aerobic/anaerobic tradoff well yea it's overstated because no one wants to look or perform like a marathon runner right?

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Flies in the face of everything you might think you know about training. The pervasive myth behind HIIT is that a diet of low reps, low volume, heavy weighs and nothing else is sufficient to get one strong, lean, fast, big etc. I think it's taken for granted here and elsewhere that anaerobic activity is superior to aerobic, that aerobic work detracts from strength, speed, power etc.

Here is an ebooklet that contradicts this idea -

http://anthonymychal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/TheMythofHIIT.pdf

thoughts?

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / w6,d1
« on: June 06, 2012, 09:31:53 am »
Just got back from basketball.. some observations -

Conditioning was not a problem today. Why?
- Pre/peri workout nutrition. Sipped on a shake  (~600mL half water, half lowfat milk, 2 tablespoon chocolate powder, half a scoop protein powder).
- Didn't squat before the game
- Did some treadmill work yesterday.. can it make a difference so quickly?

I'm not sure which of the above made the biggest difference, but obviously I should try to do all 3 from now on.

I only failed to run back on D twice, and both times it would have been futile cos they were fast breaks and I was too behind to catch up. My team slacks off on D meaning I have to spend extra effort making up for it. But I did well today, I lost count of how many blocks I had. It got to the point where I was more likely to block a shot than not when someone drove inside, near me. Although I did pick up 3 fouls in the 1st half, which meant I had to dial it back for the 2nd. Offence sucked, as usual. I had 3 FGA the whole game, scored 2, hit 2/4 foul shots, which I am annoyed with since I needed to score more points. Can't do anything about it. If my team worked harder at distributing the ball and playing D we'd score more points. I really can't understand why i'm not getting more looks, but it doesn't matter since it's not something I have any control over. If they weren't so slack on getting back on D, i'd be more confident hovering around the rim looking for offensive boards, but that's neither here nor there, esp when turn overs are a big problem.

But yeah the priority now is to build an aerobic base. It's the thing I lack the most and because of all the stupid HIIT shit i had read, i've neglected it. Fuck squatting, jumping, sprinting, weights all of that shit, aerobic base takes precedence. If I build up excellent conditioning, i'll be able to run up and down and play awesome D, and go forward on offensive, pick up boards and maybe score some points.

Training
Bball match
SQ - 3x6 101kg
BP - 3x6 76kg

SQ was stupidly hard today. Even warming up with the bar felt difficult, my knees were complaining. So I chilled around for about 4 hours and then tried again at midnigh. My left knee actually hurt after the first workset and I had to take the bar out backwards for the remaining 2 sets. That addressed the knee pain thankfully.

BP was ok today.

Finished off with 4 sets of chins, got a nice arm pump. All in all glad to punch in and get this workout in. Was inclined to skip it after the draining game but couldn't go to bed missing a workout. This will be a hard week with 5 back to back workouts.


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Iono if i were you i wouldn't quit playing basketball. At least don't quit playing organised basketball coz it's a skill so overall you'll be a better player by just spending a lot of hours practicing on top of all the stuff you doing atm to improve your athleticism. While your playing you can still look for better teams. I can understand quitting pick up ball though. With pickup sometimes you get people that can play but 90% of the time you're just playing with scrubs who aren't gonna help you improve your game. Just my 2 cents.

You're spot on about the pickup thing. Most of the time it's a waste of time, sometimes you get a rare game which is worth it but it happens so infrequently. It takes so much out of me because I end up playing for hours and hours, but it's very low quality work, that just accumulates fatigue and there is no benefit out of it since the level of play is so low. It used to be a social thing with my friends, but none of those guys come anymore, so i'm just playing with a bunch of random scrubs, as you said, and there is no reason to have it in my training now. No more pickup games.

And that's good advice about keeping up the skill while looking for a new team. Would be a smoother transition than trying to start from scratch later, definitely. Thanks!

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