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This is one thing that I think Vern Gambetta gets right. His thing is basically that box jumps are fine and all cause you can get a max jump onto them with the impact of landing, work on pure explosiveness and whatever. But if you go much above 30", even for the best jumpers, you're just practicing/demonstrating core strength, hip mobility and balance on the landing. And there are much better ways to do all of those things.

Agree 100%.  Used correctly they can be a good intro to plyos or low impact dynamic/rfd exercise.  Its just when people repeatedly max out on them, doing primarily box jumps, it starts to encourage incomplete hip extension since there is such a rush to pull the knees up. 

 The danger I was talking about is from athletes trying to wait too long to put the feet down, reaching out further than they are capable, and landing on "locked" knees.  There are many cases of this and Ive seen several at combines myself during broad jump tests.

     The reason your squat hurts your knees is because your using so much forward knee travel.  In a properly performed, below paralell squat, the glutes feel like they almost completely take over until about midway up.  You are essentially performing a hip thrust up to that point if you think about it.  Your squatting technique wont permit you to drop the hips low enough below your kneecaps to experience this. When you go lower it requires even more forward knee travel, hence your increased pain.  Ive already tried to explain to you that this "pretty" squat you have in your head that a 4 foot 5  Chinese olympic lifter wearing weightlifting shoes performs is not going to be the optimal squatting position for taller, longer limbed guys like us.  Long legs, short torso, you are going to have to create some forward lean to squat correctly. Its really that simple, long torso/short legs- can stay very upright, short torso/long legs- need some forward lean.  Neither is better and neither is worse.  Whats bad is when a long leg/short torso lifter like you tries to emulate a perfectly upright torso position, causing crazy forward knee travel, or a long torso/short leg lifter tries to lean forward too much causing too much low back activity.  Their torso is a longer lever than ours, they have to keep it upright. 

 Doesnt mean you got faster, just means you got better at the test.

Quote from: LanceSTS on July 26, 2010, 12:31:30 am

Actually on the standing broad jump test I have had several long/triple jumpers do really well, mainly due to the fact that they are so much better at landing mechanics and stay in the air longer than the football/basketball athletes.  (eg hitch kick mechanics etc.) But yea, the actual power production is not as high, they are just better at the test, just like the football guys I have who have mastered the 40yd dash techniques and beat some of the sprinters at the 40, when in reality the sprinters are usually faster (even at the 40) they just arent as good at the skills of the test yet.  After mastering the start and other 40yd specific techniques, they usually dominate the football guys.

as sim would say...beginner gains

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 Actually on the standing broad jump test I have had several long/triple jumpers do really well, mainly due to the fact that they are so much better at landing mechanics and stay in the air longer than the football/basketball athletes.  (eg hitch kick mechanics etc.) But yea, the actual power production is not as high, they are just better at the test, just like the football guys I have who have mastered the 40yd dash techniques and beat some of the sprinters at the 40, when in reality the sprinters are usually faster (even at the 40) they just arent as good at the skills of the test yet.  After mastering the start and other 40yd specific techniques, they usually dominate the football guys.

x2(to Adarqui) I have been explaining this over and over in my life and people still dont grasp the concept.  In college the guy who had the highest box jump had the 2nd lowest vertical jump on our team.  He would routinely show people that he could jump (since he couldnt dunk the ball) by taking them to the field house and jumping on 48 inch + boxes. Neat.  BOXES ARE FOR JUMPING OFF OF!

  Haha yea badgers are vicious as hell.  Used to have one that made his home in front of one of our deer blinds (not a honey badger, just a badger) that would come out and talk shit to me by snarling and growling every time I went to the blind.  I literally had my rifle tip in his mouth on more than one occasion and couldnt bring myself to pull the trigger since he looked like some kind of pet or something lol.  I finally conceded to call a truce and brought him bacon or ham every time I would go out there and he actually got fairly tame.  He wouldnt growl or snarl anymore and he would politely go back in his hole once he was given the food. 

  Damn man I hate to hear that shit.  Hope you heal quickly, I know you were bustin your ass training and hitting it hard lately.