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Quote from: Raptor on August 13, 2014, 05:23:26 am

Plus, it depends what vag means by being on the heavier side.

If he means being at 85 kg with 9% bodyfat, then I'm 100% with him.
If he means being at 85 kg with 18% bodyfat, then why the heck would you want to be there? Just so you say "I'm heavier and harder to push around and a Mark Rippetoe prototype MAN"?

Yeah. Consider this, vag started from 90kg. Has cut to 85kg (i know he's currently low 80s but that's not important for this argument). Is he now athletic at 85kg? Is he lean? Nope. So suppose he bulks from 85kg up to 90kg - he gains some strength and he thinks some muscle. But since he started above 15% now he's would being in the 20%s again. So he cuts back to 85kg and is he suddenly 10%? Nope. So that's the problem with cutting down to a bodyweight that isn't quite lean - it means any bulks will go inefficiently from there and you're effectively just spinning wheels.

But consider vag instead cuts to a legit 10% - maybe for him that means having a bodyweight of 75kg. He bulks up to 85kg. Now he's not lean anymore but, he's definitely holding MORE muscle mass at 85kg than he was cutting from 90kg (even if he'd bulked to 90kg from having cut to 85kg first).