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Strength, Power, Reactivity, & Speed Discussion / Re: Kelly B Article
« on: April 22, 2010, 04:01:50 pm »
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sooooo, stuff like stim/potention from squats like 5x1 or 2x3 with re-reacking of bar could have a greater effect AFTER increasing 1RM through whatever set/rep scheme. Is this what you mean darq?

sorry to pick at your brain....

also can MSEM be done more then once a week, and can it effectly increase 1RM? or is it mainly for temporary stimulation?

The low rep stuff is better for increasing neural activation/stim. It's really more of a purer nervous system training method. You can gain size with it, but you either need to up the frequency quite a bit over what Verkoshansky recommends or increase the number of sets. You can also use it for increasing neural activation (stim) and maintaining (or even boosting) strength at times when you're in more of a peaking phase, as it doesn't involve much microtrauma/time under tension.

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Along those lines of monitoring fatigue, another thing you can do is measure a particular movement or skill throughout a training week to see where you're at compared to baseline.  The supercompensation curve can work off weekly cumulative fatigue as well.  For example, the split I mentioned the other day went like this:

Mon 5 x 1 @ 85%
Tues: 5 x 1 @ 90%
Wed: 5 x 1 @ 95%
Thurs: off
Fri: 5 x 1 @ 80% (very easy)
Sat: Off
Sun: Off

Well you know if you can't get wednesdays 95% weight up or if it's really a struggle you're fatigued 5% from baseline, which is really perfect, because you basically have thursday thru sunday off to supercompensate.  You could literally take a particular movement and do it every single day fresh until you reach a predetermined "drop-off" point, measured by how much your fresh efforts change on a daily basis, then take some time off to recover and supercompensate.  During the recovery period, you have to do enough to maintain fitness and movement efficiency, but the focus is generally on recovery.  

The amount of fatigue you want to induce though will vary based on the quality:

strength work: 5-10%
power work: (VJ/10 yd dash) 3-5%
top speed:  0-3%

So, take a movement like depth jumps. Say you have a 30 inch unmotivated VJ. An effort you can do any time.  You decide to do depth jumps every day until your VJ drops off a fresh 3% (or about 1 inch) So everyday you do depth jumps and every day you monitor your VJ.  
 
On day 1 you first measure your VJ then do 20 depth jumps (or simply do them until you start to dropoff)

you do the same on day 2
do the same on day 3
do the same on day 4

You keep doing that until one day your fresh (unmotivated) VJ is only 29 inches.  It might take 1 day, might be 2 days, or might be an entire week or longer.  But once you hit that point it mean's your "system" has accumulated 3% fatigue, so  you then take a lower volume period so that you can supercompensate.  That lower volume period will generally be as long as the number of days it took you to get in the hole, or you can just use the rule of 3rds described above.

That approach will work, however, it kinda sux for scheduling because you don't know what you're gonna be doing tomorrow or the next day or further on in the week.  It also sux if you're doing anything else during a workout or week that might interfere with your ability to monitor fatigue.  So what you can do is experiment and use enough intensity and volume each workout to know you'll be fairly close to fatiguing on a certain schedule.  The drop-offs don't have to be perfect and the schedules don't have to be perfect, as long as the general concepts hold up.   Take that little template I mentioned above:

Mon 5 x 1 @ 85%
Tues: 5 x 1 @ 90%
Wed: 5 x 1 @ 95%
Thurs: off
Fri: 5 x 1 @ 80% (very easy)
Sat: Off
Sun: Off

It can generally be assumed that after performing a given movement at an increasing intensity for 3 days straight that some level of fatigue will have accumulated in most people.  That makes the schedule viable for most, but others may need to adjust it as some will accumulate too much fatigue while some not enough.  In general it holds up though.

You can also base fatigue off of general accumulative nervous system stress.  Fatigue cycles can be over days, weeks, or even months.    You can monitor it thru hormone levels, heart rate variability (omega wave does this), and a ton of other things.  But the general principles are the same.  I think the weekly cycles are cool and easy to grasp for most people.  I'm pretty sure that's what Jay Schroeder does.  He goes 3 on 1 off, 3 on-2 off doing the same stuff every day.  

It is amazing what the body can tolerate/adapt to given 2 consecutive days mostly off at the end of a week/cycle.  

There are some posts/articles by Glenn Pendlay over on the DB forum that talk about how he does this with his o-lifters using monthly cycles.  Basically 5 x 5  three x per week for 4-6 weeks followed by 3 x 3 once every 4th-th day for 4 weeks.

One more thing: I'm with you Andrew as far as monitoring intra-session drop-offs for power/speed work.  In my experience it was more trouble then it was worth.  Rather, I'd terminate a workout as soon as their as any drop-off at all, as once workout quality has declined the positive training effect is pretty well done too.

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Performance Training Blog / Re: Maximum Strength Effort Method
« on: March 29, 2010, 02:26:09 pm »
It's been a while since I've looked into any westside stuff I just think it's funny how so many things get oddly translated. The "conjugate method" is another one.  I'm sure there are others.

As for the pauses, I can kinda see why they wouldn't want to pause reps.  When you get really strong one of the hardest things is just unracking and walking out the bar plus all that equipment makes it even more difficult.

On another note, I also think the psych thing is something that contributes the most to the variabiilty in how fatiguing some people feel low rep lower body training...especially high load/high frequency training.   I've noticed (and I remember Glenn Pendlay saying this too) that people that have a big gap between training and competitive max will burn themselves out very easily if they're not careful because they tend to get too adrenalized. I 've had some guys who can't succeed with even low volume high frequency training because they burn theirselves out. I suspect a big reason is they just naturally run in high adrenaline mode all the time.  Westside guys usually train in "packs" that promotes a competitive high adrenaline atmosphere, so even if they're not supposed to be getting fired up, they do.  I used to do westside with a group of guys for  a while in the late 90's. We'd work up to a max and try for PRs once per week. I rmember it being extremely fatiguing after a while.

But anyway, for some guys I started using a built in buffer to prevent that. For example, instead of 5 x 1 @90-100% I'll restrict them to nothing more than 85% with specific directions to stay relaxed.  Or I'll say something like, "Use perfect form and use a weight you could do 5 reps if you absolutely had to." The buffers are especially something I use the stronger a person gets.  In my experience 90% for a 400 lb squatter will be considerably different than 90% for a 200 lb squatter.

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Performance Training Blog / Re: Maximum Strength Effort Method
« on: March 28, 2010, 09:09:25 pm »
Nice article man. One interesting thing about that and a good example of how things sometimes get lost in translation is that's the original max effort method espoused by westside barbell, but I think most people interpret their version a bit differently. It can be tough when you read a bunch of different strength/performance texts because different researchers from different countries will often use different names and slightly different variations.  For example, the brief maximal tension method is much the same but I think you'll hear that from German researchers. I believe Bompa calls his the mxs method or something similar.

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Adarq bio?
« on: March 08, 2010, 04:55:13 pm »
Dude you should open your own training compound.  Your knowledge on sports training is as good or better then anyone anywhere IMO. The thing that has always stood out to me is you're not afraid to experiment with all sorts of  stuff, but you don't lose site of the big picture. I dunno, it's hard to explain. In my experience too many people in S&C are either sheep or overanalyzers to the extreme.  They either follow whatever they were taught and don't venture outside of it or they get bogged down in so much irrelevant stuff their program as a whole loses value  You bring more of a principle based artistic approach to training.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: September 24, 2009, 04:04:58 pm »
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wanna do some amateur fights.. so 152 will be what i would need to weigh in at.. 155 is what ill probably weight though.. i dont see myself getting to 147 with the mass ive put on.. im 164 right now and definitely can get to 155.

ya man i need to get some fights in.. ive never had any official fights, only hard sparring.. i need to get some real fights on film, then go form there ;d ... i doubt ill even do any sparring before i do amateurs either, i really dont think i need it.. i know what to expect in there and i know what shape i have to be in.. i do need to toughen up my hands a bit and hit a bag though, or they wont be ready to smash face without increasing injury risk.

i plan on getting into better condition than i left off 2 years ago.. high rep squatting plus faster road work (mid foot, not heel toe) should help me do it.. i dont think im going to jump rope much, i think i can actually obtain faster hand speed without it.. i think it is IIa'n my shoulders.. looking back, i think jumping rope actually staled my shoulders out.. my hand speed is ridiculous right now and im putting in no work jumping rope.. i need to just shadow box/heavy bag (eventually heavy bag) for that, not endless rotations on a rope.

to get to better condition than be, i need:
- max mile runs under 4:40
- ability to do insane high rep squatting
- get down to ~5-6% body fat again
- not train every day, more like every other day, but make these days count 2x.

peace man, hopefully ill have a shadow boxing vid up in 3 weeks or so.. i want to get more ripped for it, for fun. heh


i feel incomplete.. hitting 27, realizing dunking is kind of boring, and not doing what i do best, conditioning/fighting.. i am completely natural at boxing so there's really nothing going against me other than improving my skill level even more.. which is awesome, cause all of my other hobbies involve me fighting my genetics.. im wasting my talent.. its bothering me.

Cool man.  Personally when I boxed I felt jump rope and all the other repetitive boxing type work did nothing but make me slower. The only thing that made me faster was practicing combos for speed in a fresh state separate from the repetitive round by round stuff you do in the boxing gym.  Regarding strength training that was actually a situation where Isos were really beneficial because they kept my muscles fresh. I did a lot of gymnastic training Iso variations and only minimal leg work. Grip and forearm work seemed to have a very positive effect on punching power.  High rep squats in conjunction with boxing training would personally crush my nervous system but you might be able to handle it. Also interval work was a complete waste of time.  It ran me into the ground and didn't do shit for my conditioning.  I don't understand these idiots  who don't understand that combat sports are already as "intervalistic" as hell.  I would just do low intensity road work and go to the gym and train/spar.

Anyway, I experiemented with a lot of different stuff so holler at me if you ever want any ideas.  Don't worry about getting too old either.  At 32 I thought I was too old but now it's 4 years later and I still haven't lost a thing related to boxing other than desire. ;D

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: September 23, 2009, 12:14:32 am »
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ya i will probably.. i wanna box again somehow though.. so gonna focus on getting in shape/getting my skills back for that even if i dont do it.. need to get ready

peace

Haven't checked your log in a while man, but that's awesome you're getting back into boxing. With your newfound strength and explosiveness you're gonna be a beast. Any idea what weight class you'll be in? 

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: August 17, 2009, 11:38:00 pm »
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fuck it, gonna balloon ;d

Col would be proud  ;D

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: July 27, 2009, 11:42:20 pm »
Yeah man I hear ya. That damn safety bar tore up my back bigtime.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: July 27, 2009, 06:49:24 pm »
Why are you having to use that safety squat bar man? I hate those things they kill my back!

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: July 14, 2009, 02:43:31 pm »
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crazy thing is i waas 170 lb. during that dunk session..


See, Col was right.

It all makes sense now.   ;D ;D


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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: July 13, 2009, 03:19:14 pm »
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pin 11 back squat - bar a little higher: 225 x 18


Damn dude 225 for 18 ain't playing around even if it is a little high. 

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: July 06, 2009, 05:22:26 pm »
Man that is weird. Adrenaline improves performance up to a certain point but eventually it gets so high that it starts to F up motor skills.   Maybe he's naturally more jacked up adrenalinewise and it easily gets to be overkill when he's around people. 

Seriously when he jumps it looks like he's barely trying. That first dunk in that vid I thought he was just strolling in to touch the net or something. LOL

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: July 06, 2009, 12:45:20 pm »
You really can't go wrong with hanging leg lift progressions like in this article:

http://www.dragondoor.com/articler/mode3/329/

That vid of you and Eddie is impressive. I think you get up higher and jump with more power, but he looks like he's barely even trying. 

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: July 05, 2009, 11:57:58 am »
Rearfoot running usually coincides with lack of glute activation/overactive quads.  When your pelvis isn't inherently in an optimal position and you try to run on the balls of your feet there's a ton more force involved then if your pelvic position was optimized.  If you ever get a chance, try doing about a 30 minute walk up a slight incline, focusing on contracting your glutes.  The next day see if you notice a difference in how you walk and how your foot inherently hits the ground. Also have you ever worked much on hip flexor strengthening? Given your body structure that in combo with glute activation work (which I know you're already doing), usually does good things.  

I think you're also getting a form of neural stimulation with the sprints. I think I wrote about it before way back when. If you're a bball player and you go out and do some top speed sprints beforehand (minutes or even a day), it makes everything taking place on the bball court seem slower and jumps seem easier. The problem is they can also contribute more to fatigue, so not everyone is in position to take advantage of them.

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