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Quote from: adarqui on August 16, 2016, 10:21:08 pm

This is insane! He has such a graceful jumping style. Never gets old.

ya.. it's so fun to watch.

unfortunately he broke his 5th metatarsal during high jump training I think.. he's in a cast right now.

dno.. not into that reverse squat.

if your hamstrings can tolerate natural GHR's or GHR's on a glute-ham bench, i'd go with those instead.

my hamstrings can't tolerate natural ghr's... which is a real shame. I have a poor man's glute ham bench, which is an amazing tool.. but every time I use it, it gives me hamstring tendonitis.. just can't mess with it, it's bad news for me. For others though, it can be quite a great tool.

pump that ball up to the max. then leave it in your car (hopefully in the heat) for a few hours or so, before you go to the gym. we'll make a new phrase for that: "bake it". it should fly.

i guess one thing i'm really interested in now is.. how to build a jump like this:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FXXxKeTdDg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FXXxKeTdDg</a>

the "effortlessness + bounce" combo is what i'm interested in this time.

such a beautiful looking jump.

i need more speed and strength, that's for sure.

Quote from: adarqui on August 15, 2016, 02:06:57 pm

Quote from: T0ddday on August 15, 2016, 04:40:05 am

Is self lobbing for a sl jump just as easy for you?

i think so. tbh it might be a little easier because of the horizontal distance I get with single leg jumping. When starting to train SLRVJ in late 2011/2012, even in my first few sessions I literally caught some lobs around the outside of the paint. That is very difficult for me to do with DLRVJ because I just don't have that kind of horizontal distance with double leg jumping.

so ya, just as easy or slightly easier.

pc!

Wow. Ok in reading this and your post to scooby I realized one reason the self lob is so important...

It's for training.  My most impressive dunks are done off one or two steps.  And it's because my one or two step vertical with ball and without ball is probably about 41/38 on my best day...  I can get great dunk practice and jump work in at the same time...

But as Raptor pointed out I jump much lower with ball than without ball... At a full run up my vertical with and without ball has peaked out at about 45/39 and this 6 inch difference is pretty appalling.... That's why for me to get ME jump training and dunk practice I have to get in a bunch of head to rim jump attempts after my dunks... With the self lob you can do a dunk session and get practice at dunks and ME jumping all at the same time... Really seems like a big advantage to decrease volume and still get training...

nice! it's interesting how framing it as a "training tool" might help to get people to utilize it more.

I mean if we took scooby, cloned him, and had 1 year of lobs vs dribble ups, i'd expect we would see some significant differences. Most likely, lob sessions would have him jumping higher on average & increase his odds of landing a hard dunk. Lobbing might be a bit brutal early on, but if in this hypothetical scenario, he would surely improve & get more comfortable with lobbing. The same goes for anyone on here who mostly does dribble ups (which is alot of people).

For example, LBSS should buy one of those under armour balls I just got, pump it up to the max, and leave it in his car the entire day prior to attempting lob dunks.. If that ball doesn't launch off the ground, i'd be shocked. The thing with LBSS though, in terms of quality jump sessions, is he does have alot of them. He knows when to perform ME jumps and when to backoff dunk attempts and go back to ME jumps etc. So he gets in alot of good quality when he's not down-shifting due to some knee aches etc. I'd easily say LBSS understands his body & how it is effected by training, better than scoob. He also doesn't veer off into major tangents like scoob does, and this is mostly because of how the previous point. He's also been following some solid programming/advice for several months :F Scoob takes advice from all angles and blends alot of it together. The one thing i'm glad he is doing lately is getting back to squatting heavy.

Both have worked & still work hard as fuck.. but the one thing they both share is a "lack of self lobbing".

I wish I had FULL footage of me practicing lob dunks when I couldn't dunk.. I don't because, I basically missed everything. If I put up a video, it was only a few GOOD misses and potentially a make. So I don't have videos like scoob does, where it's just "every attempt". Except in a few cases, like the one below.. but this is after I became extremely proficient with lobbing:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjxBhSGmkr8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjxBhSGmkr8</a>

That title says "nearly every attempt" .. That session was so good that I uploaded all of it, as basically a reminder to myself, of how good it was... Most sessions were way different; tons of misses.

So picture me, scoob style, missing tons of lobs... then picture me doing tons of dribble up dunks...  Those clips would be much less exciting.. lobs introduce some major variability - where we catch it, how high we catch it, if we can pull off a max effort jump in the process, etc.. So really, lobbing is so important.

Also, for reference.. the absolute perfect dunk lob can be seen at 7:53:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7MYrl716-k" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7MYrl716-k</a>

So, if someone who is uncomfortable with lobs, works on them and improves.. The chances of them catching a PERFECT lob like that, it's 100%.. it'll happen. Also that video is basically a clinic on how to throw lobs for a simple power dunk.. hah.

Of course for me lob practice right now involves mostly not even jumping but when I return to dunking I promise an earnest attempt at learning to lob...

sick!!!!

can't wait tbh.. I think it'll be a great demonstration for those who are also uncomfortable with lobs, which seems like most people tbh...

I still remember the first time I ever saw someone self lobbing + dunking.. I was ~13-14 and it was these two ~5'8" black kids, brothers I think, at a street court.. So it's just something I saw one day and thought, man that makes sense. So like 15+ years later i'm landing lob dunks.. lmao.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=areBUihbfTs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=areBUihbfTs</a>

ya that was a great commercial.. i used to identify alot with that & him growing up - regarding injuries. Being very injury prone, yet so dedicated & always playing so hard, really sucked.

My worst injury was breaking my wrist during an AAU practice.. I can still remember it like it was yesterday .. wish I had footage, one of the best and1's ever considering I laid it up on two dunkers and snapped my wrist in the process.. lulz.

love AI.. AI & Tim Hardaway were the people I "studied most" back then.

ok sorry for the tangent of maxent's tangent.

;d

Quote from: adarqui on August 16, 2016, 12:43:45 am

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Quote from: adarqui on August 15, 2016, 10:12:16 pm

OMFG THAT DIVE.. amazing women's 400m final.

Aghh, I wish she hadn't fallen and won it running through....she might have got it anyway but I've seen it happen where a dive at the finish probably makes the difference.

ya after watching the replay, it looked like she didn't need to dive. when I saw it live, it looked like the dive won it for her. When Felix was coming back to (almost?) take the lead, it was nuts - i was freaking out.

Yeah... Hard to say about the dive... Personally not a fan of diving... It can win a race in hurdles or slower races - women's 400m is certainly borderline...  I mean Felix is running a probably around 13 sec hundred pace at the end of the race...  Between 7-8 meters a second, does diving really make a difference then?  I dunno if it actually does BUT it is probably better than a mistimed lean!

Funny that Felix is brought up in a thread where the side conversation is athletic potential...

I'm sorry but her race strategy and training is terrible.  Felix jogged 48.x in the semi. She is a 21.x 200m runner.  With the right training she could easily go 47.9.  Her coach Bobby Kersee really isn't getting the most out of her IMO.  I've done a ton of training with the members of the group and his basic strategy to making athletes is to get fast athletes and make them run around and around and around the track.  It's speed endurance to death.  Then he gives them the same failed race strategy lashawn Merrit used - just wait and rely on the fact that you have more endurance and will be fresh in the end... Well it doesn't work in the 200 and it doesn't always work anymore in the 400m... Merritt's case is excusable cause he lost to a WR - but Felix lost to a 49.5 which is nothing for her...  She waited, sized her up and looked far better finishing... But that didn't win her the race...  I'm not surprised because she did hardly any speed work leading up to the olympics.  What is sad is I know her coach convinced her not to double 200/400 and focus on the 400 for a guarenteed medal... How ironic that had she kept the 200 she probably wouldn't have neglected the speed work she needed to win the 400...

crazy.

would like to see the difference between Felix & Niekerk's training.