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Why do all people seem to bench press with suicide grip nowadays?
Not all people do but some really good lifters do, its easier on the shoulder joint and easier on the connective tissue in people who have pec tear issues for some. There is nothing wrong with using a false grip IF you know what youre doing.
Yeah but I have a feeling a lot of people use the suicide grip because they think that's the WAY you're supposed to bench press, that's the problem.
It's interesting because, according to Pavel Tsatsouline, the most powerful "arm extension" when pushing something has it's point in the base of the thumb (several inches lower, on the bottom of the palm) area. So it would make sense for the bar to sit there if you're to apply maximum power to it. But, you know, better safe than bench press.
Why do all people seem to bench press with suicide grip nowadays?
Switch to mixed grip, your going to kill that weight once you do it.
Yeah I know, but I can't take one and say "this one makes sense at this point" from all these. If I was to be forced to choose one, I'd probably take the 3x5. Not sure if that's enough volume to progress, although I will do that 2 times per week.
I could also go with 3x5 on Tuesday and 1x5 on Thursday. That way I have a "hypertrophy" and a "strength" workout, and 1x5 isn't that much volume so that I'm very tired on Saturday and Sunday when I want to play and jump.
I was thinking about going 3x8 and 3x5, but that might be too much volume of squatting. Even 3x5 and 3x5 again might be too much I i'm to go with plyos in the same workout.
It's hard to really choose a good workout when I think about it, because I'd like to do sprints and that requires of me to be fresh. Same applies for depth jumps. I need to be fresh for these.
So if I go with 3x5 squats, rest for 20 minutes, and do plyos, I really need to choose my plyos well. It's really annoying because they kind of cancel each other out. If I do depth jumps first, I could be tired to do squats well (and at the same time, I could be potentiated instead and do squats well).
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I could do depth jumps + 3x5 one workout + some easier pace longer distance sprints one day.
And 1x5 squats with a heavy weight and shorter distance/more intense sprints & bounds the other day.
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If nothing from above makes sense, then I could just do sprints and jumps etc at the track, and go to the gym I'm currently going to for strength work (squatting). That would allow me to rest for ~2 hours from the sprints and jumps and then strength train, although I'm not sure if that wouldn't be even more fatigueing and it will cost a lot more money-wise.
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Lance , do you recommend this depth for the squat after catching , something higher ( like half or quarter squat ) or whatever comes/feels natural?
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Yea Vag, I 100% believe half or quarter squat catch is going to be more beneficial for most athletes. The height that you catch and reverse the weight is much more specific to that point in the range of motion for jumping, as well as the focus on extremely powerful triple extension to get the height needed to catch the bar at a higher depth. When doing the full lifts there is much more focus on getting under the bar quickly and many athletes trying to implement these lifts will end up cutting the second pull (triple extension) short, in order to start getting under the bar more quickly at a full depth.
Not to mention, is hard as fuck to learn the full, competition-style version. If nothing else, the level of mobility/stability you need in your hips, core and shoulders to handle competitive weights is pretty incredible and probably not specifically necessary for anyone but a competitive lifter. As has already been discussed ad nauseum on this site, you don't need to be able to do an honest ATG squat to be a great athlete. But you do to be an elite oly lifter.
Lance , do you recommend this depth for the squat after catching , something higher ( like half or quarter squat ) or whatever comes/feels natural?
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OK, I'll very very soon (in a week or two) switch my squat to squat maintenance mode (1 workout of 3x3@80% (so 3x3 with 120 kg)) per week or every two weeks.
absolutely HORRIBLe...QuoteThe question is - how much time "can" I stay this, in your experience, without having my squat regress. I feel like I have serious untapped strength reserves at this point so I'm going with explosive stuff and mostly bodyweight stuff like sprints that I have in mind, depth jumps and KB swings for more hip focus AND fat loss. My conditioning is EXTREMELY low at this moment so I need work on that and work on making my quads react explosively and being able to cope with actually moving my body instead of a barbell that sits on my back.
So, in your experience, how much can I stay in maintenance mode without losing squat strength (muscle strength basically), considering I'll also be doing plyo and explosive work that should count in a way or two as strength factors as well?