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Article & Video Discussion / Re: New Kelly Bagget Article
« on: March 03, 2012, 08:35:09 am »
i do my SVJs in the same workout a few minutes after the squats, probably ~ 20-30mins max after the last heavy squat rep. again, my legs might have lifted heavy weights, but the way i lifted it really minimizes fatigue. in this 445x1 paused rep vid, i was still able to get low 40s SVJ in the same workout even thought my squat ramping went thru 5 sets of 400+ (400,410,420,430,440,445)

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGSq-YOYOmw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGSq-YOYOmw</a>

i agree with the weight loss from dehydration prior to near max jump attempts. i don't drink alcohol but i usually comsume 4-5 shots of black espresso before getting to my max weight when i lift. i have to use the can in between sets most of the time.. by the time the lifts are done, i've lost a lot of water weight. that + muscles that have been primed nicely = consistent high 30s/low 40s SVJs. 
wow 2.62bw? now who said dont squat more than 2.5 your bw for squats . now im confused

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: What's wrong with the barbell squat?
« on: February 10, 2012, 09:53:24 pm »
hmm so basically keep doing it yeah/ soft tissue work, to confirm, is the  stretches kelly has been showing right?
or is soft tissue work foam rolling?

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: What's wrong with the barbell squat?
« on: February 07, 2012, 02:22:09 am »
You shouldn't be going numb or pinching anywhere, unless it's from the band on your hip or something.  Just readjust your body in the stretch, and try to get a different angle.  If you feel numbness, you're probably on a nerve(like when you touch your toes, you may feel numbness down your thigh hint: sciatic nerve), and you don't want to stress those things out.

First, deload if you feel drained(mentally or physically, don't do this often though).  See if changing the load/reps helps for 1 workout.  Like going from heavier sets of 4-6 to lighter sets of 6-8.  If that doesn't help, or you can't because of your goals(like if you're in season, you don't want to train high reps because of soreness) then go ahead and switch.

Pre-squat, just do the stretch until you can feel a change or see change.  Either the bodypart you stretched feels better and less tight, or you test and retest with a bodyweight squat or something and you see you went lower.  Could be 6 seconds, could 2 minutes.  Go with what works for the day, that is important.

right thanks again. man i gottra feelign i overstretched a little and thats why i feel some soreness. ou say hold the stretch for a few minutes, but how do i prevent over stretching? i mean there's no point stretching for few minutes feeling little to nothing right?

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: What's wrong with the barbell squat?
« on: February 05, 2012, 05:52:19 am »
ahj i see.

haha indeed frank yang is what i visualize in my head before squatting.

hmm bout the stretch, do i stop when  i feel a litle numb feeling? and yeah i think i've got no choice my current routin not working out


hmm interesting. so for squatting ,i need to stretch my glutes and abductors yeah? are 6seconds stretches good?

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: What's wrong with the barbell squat?
« on: February 04, 2012, 12:21:31 pm »
wow  just did the hip one and man did it ease my hip uncomfortableness from basketball training,aside from the other 2stretches i posted from the same guy.

ima try that calf stretches ltr or tmrw. just wondering,dont the band make it a little like strengthening the muscles stretched too?


and man i knew it there was something wrong with his squats. he never fails to surprise me. his training mixtape was wicked. he did atg squats with lower back rounding alot n nvr got injured.

haha that'[ll be greatly appreciated man thx:)

hmm i guess i'll do one set of my normal routine n go few minutes on his stretching. just wondering, do i need to do a few sets or a set s good enough?also yuou say do mobility work before workout. wont the excessive periods of stretching decrease my muscles' output?

thanks alot once again

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: What's wrong with the barbell squat?
« on: February 03, 2012, 08:30:48 pm »
are you stretching your calves? you should be. as far as foot position and stuff on squats, here's something that's helped me:

put a little weight on the bar (an empty bar will be too light, start with 95# or so) and just squat a whole bunch of times, changing foot position until you find something that's comfortable and allows you to get low while still keeping your back neutral. once you find a comfortable position, squat down and just stay there for 15-20s. repeat. i've been doing that stretch for a few reps at the beginning of each workout for a few months now and it's made a big difference. i already had decent mobility and it's just getting better and better.

for what it's worth, i seem to do best with my feet about shoulder width and my toes angled out about 10-15 degrees. that is, pretty straight forward. what works for you will be dependent on your own mechanics.

ah right i will try that but what you mean bottom? ATG or parallel? so if my 1RM is like 81-82kg, would using 30kg be sufficient?

and yeah i'm doing the squats that seem best for you know but i'll vary and see hows my ROM like.


i do this calf stretch:http://www.exrx.net/Stretches/Gastrocnemius/Wall.html

the 2nd or 2rd set when i do it, my calf feels not tight at all haha
@PointerRyan I like the Split squat stretch, it hits the rectus femoris and other tissues well.  Other than that, all the stretches aren't as "good" as the stretches from mobility wod.  They are still effective, but honestly I've seen way more results in terms of ROM with those stretches, they're almost magic.  You'll definitely liberate more range of motion if you learn those stretches, it's definitely worth it.

As for the rest, hamstring stretching is dependent on the case, but if you can feel the stretch in the middle of the hamstring, you can keep going with that if you want.  The external rotation stretch isn't TOO useful if you don't apply FADIR(flexion, adduction, internal rotation) but isn't  useless.  In that external rotation stretch you're in extension still, so it's not as effective.  If you do stretch using a position using FADIR, make sure you do not feel any pinching or impingement, or else that could be femoral acetabular impingement.  

The adductor magnus stretch is decent, but I prefer going into a lunge, and driving the elbow to the floor, but it doesn't matter as much.

Definitely omit the spine twist dude, bad idea for the lumbar segments, they shouldn't have excessive mobility.

... I'll answer the rest later, and I like LBSS's idea, squatting with a small amount of weight in the bottom position definitely helps, you can even do it with a dumbbell going with a "goblet squat."  It really helps put you down into a new ROM, sorta like a PNF stretch.  It really helps to use your elbows to shove your knees out when you do these goblet squats too.

Edit:  So yeah, just do what you can with your current ROM, and then maybe you can change your stance, foot position, etc over time.  I would say the most ideal foot range would be 0-10 degrees out, but like I said, it depends on your current ROM, and you can improve it over time,  and yeah hit your calves like what LBSS said too.  Try to use the wall stretch, where you put the ball of your foot on a wall and push your knee to the wall.  Much more effective other calf stretches, because your calf does not have to work during the stretch.

That part about the knees/toes, kind of hard to understand what you are saying, but I think you said that you will ignore your knees being over your toes?  If so, then yeah, no restrictions there, just make sure you shove your knees out too.

Arches collapsing just means your foot goes flat lol,  Weight gets distributed unevenly on your foot, causing the arch to collapse(going flat), letting the ankle collapse, affecting things upstream like the knee.  The opposite is also true, if the knee collapses, so do the ankles and arches of the feet.


right middle of hamstring will get to that.

btw for the stretches, are you talking bout this vid? cause he ha too many i cant possibly do them all lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY31J5BeKrg

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL3CVpu8zN8

those two?


ANd yeah thanks for the advice on the stretches wont do spine twists anymore. stupid back doctor.


well i asked lbss bout what is the "bottom" for the squat, as in parallel or atg but i guess he could naswer that.

oh what you think about this calf stretch?

http://www.exrx.net/Stretches/Gastrocnemius/Wall.html

i'm doing that now

and yeah i mean the knees over toes.

and damn seems painful jeez.

and what you think about this vid of frank yang squatting?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Zxes2-AmY&feature=plcp&context=C312d9f0UDOEgsToPDskK-Q8aio6qbSzPngqgpBugE

it seems his knees buckle in on the way up. is that how my knees should be if my toes point straight?

thanks alot again


EDIT:

could you give me an alt ex particularly for squats? the rest is not neccessary but squats more important

http://www.adarq.org/forum/sts-qa/alternating-exercises/


EDIT 2:

hwo long do you hold the stretches for? kelly starett says something like a few minutes and thats crazy long. i normalyl do 30seconds and i thought anythign more than a minute is too much, isn't it?

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: What's wrong with the barbell squat?
« on: February 03, 2012, 02:49:56 am »
1) Yeah it would be very painful at all times, most likely.

2) About having your low back stressed out, it may be due to overactive erector spinae.  That is, your erectors tighten up and are hypertonic to compensate for having a weak L2 segment.  This is only an assumption, many people go on for years with back pain and never get a good diagnosis with proper treatment.  If you want a good diagnosis you would need hands on work with someone who is very well informed, but people like that are rare.

3) You pretty much wanna hit everything around the hips first, prioritizing that, and then hit the t-spine.  When addressing mobility you don't wanna hit "muscles" really.  Just certain movements.  It gets too complicated because the hip joint has a complex system of muscles that performs multiple tasks. 

The most effective stretches I've used were taken from a guy named Kelly Starrett on Youtube.  Look up Mobility Wod, and it will pop right up.  Don't be offended that he's crossfit, he's got some decent stuff.  I can't really give you the vids without it being a complete mess, because many of his vids have more than one topic, and he addresses some issues more than once(there are 300+ videos to boot).  Just skim at the first 10-15, and he'll give you some of the basic ones for the hip.

Try these:

Hip flexor stretch w/anterior band distraction*

External rotation hip capsule stretch w/ lateral distraction

Internal rotation hip capsule stretch w/lateral distraction

Rectus Femoris stretch (split squat with foot elevated on bench/chair)


*Band distraction (by this i mean hook a band on something sturdy like a power rack, couch,etc. and load up your hip by using band tension) is optional, but really helps in the case of any impingement, and is more effective.

Yeah, make sure you do SMR/soft tissue work too(this is very important if you want healthy tissues), with a lacrosse ball(very cheap 3 for like $5), and a foam roller($20-30 after shipping usually).

Don't be afraid to hit a lot of these hard for more than 2min. if you have time/want to.

4) Yeah... dude keep doing the glute activation work, it definitely helps pre-workout.  Activation stuff + stretching + soft tissue work may seem like a lot, but it helps in the long run.  Just make sure you don't just "do" the stretches or soft tissue work.  Do that based on how you feel, and how your joints feel.

5) Toes out opens up the hips and knees a lot, allowing you to shove the knees out and for greater depth when lacking range of motion.  Toes forward will allow you to generate more torque, and more tension in the bottom position(assuming you shove your knees out here too), but is much harder to pull off because many lack proper joint range in the hips.

Think about it like this, when you squat toes out, you open up the hip naturally, because external rotation tends to follow the feet pointing out, however at the cost of the knee being unlocked medially.  Many argue that you need to point your feet out because you when the femur is externally rotated, the knees move out, so the feet out will allow the "knees to track with the toes."  Although this may be a good idea, if the hip ever loses external rotation, that means the knee will come with it as well.  This internal rotation will cause the knee to twist in, causing misalignment in the femur/tibia, and then you can possibly tear an ACL or MCL.

When you squat feet straight,  you can still externally rotate if you have proper hip range in both internal rotation and external rotation, but like I said, that is difficult for some.  The plus here is that, even if you lose external rotation during the movement, your knee is locked, meaning you cannot "twist" it in, because it will only move back to neutral because of your foot position.  This also creates more torque in the bottom position, which can be good or bad depending on how flexible you are.  If you are very flexible you can take advantage and use a more powerful "bounce" out of the bottom using the soft tissues like the adductors, instead of bouncing off passive tissues.  Many argue that "the knees do not track the toes" in this type of squat, but most people have excessive valgus(knee caving in) anyway.  The knee is in a much more stable position when the knees come out anyway, we shouldn't have to worry about excessive varus(knees out) angle for most individuals.

Wide vs narrow stance depends on how much muscle capsule length(hip capsule) you have.  Wide puts more stress on the capsule, which is not necessarily good or bad(really depends on individual's mobility).

A lot of people will argue, but both squats are fine imo, as long as the knee does not internally rotate.  You should also watch out for arches of the foot collapsing during a toes out squat too, but that isn't as important as knee position

Sorry if this is long, lol.  Let me know if there are questions you want answered or any mistakes in there, typing stuff all at once isn't my thing.


hmm well it's good that it's detailed, exactly what i need.
erm well  about the stretches, i've looked up that guy on youtube and does give ltos of good advice for squatting flexibility stuff.
But was wondering what you think of my stretchign routine.

split squat with rear leg elevated,  while doign a side bend to stretch my tricep and some lats  and obliques?

hamstring stretch seating on the floor, leg straight, back straight. I use my hands to push me up to feel the stretch and to keep my back straight .

then another in a seated  position, right leg straight, while left leg bends at knee with foot placed  next to the external side of the knee of the right leg that is straight.  foot flat while knee will be standing. In this position, i place my right elbow at the external side of my left knee, and push my body , so that i twist towards my left.

then this
http://www.exrx.net/Stretches/HipAdductors/LyingAdductorMagnus.html

I do somethign like a split while standing up, where my back, and hands are like in a push up position, taking off the stress of the stretching muscles
and in this website which is http://exercise.about.com/cs/flexibility/l/blstretch.htm , i do the following stertches in there:

Hip/Glute Stretch
Inner Thigh Stretch
Spine Twist

so yeah thats basically the stretches i do. I try to maintain back straight in all stretches.

oh i also do this once in a while:
http://www.exrx.net/Stretches/HipExternalRotators/LyingHipExternalRotator.html

Does that sound enough?

any other stretches i should add in?



And for the squats, i am not flexible, so i guess i should continue sholder width stance swith toes pointing out about 30degrees or less
well i would guess with a wider stance, to reach parallel, more flexibility is needed too yeah?
since i'm not flexible, and have lower back issues, i guess the most suitable squat would be shoudler width, feet pointing out slightly, back squats of course, and of course not restricting my knees up to a point where it can't cross my toes not even an inch or two.
that good?

also, arches of the foot collapsing? that sounds screwed up. how does that happen? dayum.

thanks again:)

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: What's wrong with the barbell squat?
« on: February 02, 2012, 06:46:14 am »
thanks miller well would you say growth plates injury are more of a temporary feeling, or like one that  lasts a cpl days or weeks depending on how serious it is?

and yeah i'm gonna get to that, but should i take a side view or like a 45degree view?

45 degrees from the back.

Yup!

Regarding growth plate injuries: I do not know.

right wil lget to it thanks man:)


@PointerRyan Your "tail bone" has no growth plates.  Growth plates are only present on the "long bones" of your body.  Those are the bones like your femur, tibia, humerus, etc. which have considerable length in comparison to other bones.  The tail bone is an irregular bone, so it has no growth plates.  Also, regarding pain with growth plate injuries, it's a part of your actual bone, so I would imagine it would feel like fracturing your bone normally.

About squatting, many of you know this, but I'll say it anyway.  During the squat forces on the lumbar are more dangerous when the lower back is rounded.  Regular human spines can usually take 12,000-18,000N of compressive force(back is straight) before buckling but can only take 1800-2800N of sheer force(back is rounded).  Thus, it is very important to limit as much lumbar motion as possible when under load.  Compressive force really isn't as much of a problem in my opinion.  Compressive forces can be mitigated through good core strength, and decompressing the spine.  Hanging from a chin up bar can help decompress the spine a bit.

My advice would be to not only get a squat vid up, but also to stretch regularly and do soft tissue work.  T-spine mobility and hip mobility should be staples in an athletic program, especially when the athlete has issues with the lumbar.  Get a foam roller(or rumble roller), lacrosse ball, some bands, and go get it.  They are all very cheap.  Without mobility in the hips, alterations to the pelvis can occur(anterior pelvic tilt, femoral acetabular impingement, blah blah blah, etc.) which will obviously throw off good position in the squat.  Without thoracic mobility you won't be able to "keep your chest up" during the squat.  Doing all of this may sound tedious, but it's definitely worth it, because you will feel better and move much more fluidly.

Also, you might want to drop stretches that involve back rounding(touch your toes stuff like that).  There is a reason why many chiropractors are getting lawsuits for using flexion-distraction techniques.  Always stretch with respect to the spine, and treat the spine like one joint when doing so(keep your back straight!!).


hmm well i did some surfing and by the sound of it, chances i injured it are really little. Well a fractured bone, will definitely leave you with pain like throughout the day right? not something you feel temporary durign certain movement etc yeah>?

 i only feel the tension during weights or anything that places great stress on my lower back. besides, i have a weak lumber.


And yeah i've been during ltos of stretching everyday, primarily targetting the glutes, Adductor Magnus
, hamstrings, quadriceps(with split squats), groin, hams, calves, some upper back.
Any muscles i should focus on? like Deep Hip External Rotators,http://www.exrx.net/Lists/ExList/ThighWt.html#anchor1943047, those important?

Also i guess all the glute work i've been doing would help if i have anterior pelvic tilt. I guess i just gotta focus more on hip mobility and do more thoracic mobility work.

also another question, what's the point on keeping toes straight in a narrow stance during squats? what if it's sholder width but toes pointed out?>

thanks

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Age vs Vertical
« on: February 01, 2012, 07:17:02 am »

2012 WINTER WORKOUTS COUNTER/REMINDER:
CURRENT WEEK COUNT : 4
Lower body sessions    : 7
ME jumping sessions    : 0
Stretching sessions      : 2
Core sessions               : 0
Plyos sessions              : 0
Upper body sessions    : 4
Endurance sessions      : 5


26 January 2012
Nothing

27 January 2012

Bodyweight@session : ~191.5
Soreness : none
Injuries/aches : none

ME lower workout.

SQUATS:
5@176 ( +11lbs )
5@187 ( +11lbs )
5@198 ( +11lbs )
5@209 ( +11lbs )
5@214,5 ( +5.5lbs ) ( +1 rep )
-209 set was parallel , all other ( including the top 214,5 ) ATG.
-Good improvements again.
 
BB LUNGES:
6@132 each leg
6@143 each leg ( +5.5lbs )
6@154 each leg ( +11lbs )
-2nd time doing them , as expected they felt much better/natural.

STANDING CALVE RAISES:
1x15@165 ( same )
1x15@187 ( +11lbs )
1x15@187 ( same )
-165 too easy , wasted set.



wow 15@187 for calve raises? Are your toes elevated or something? either ways i don't get how the hell people use so much weights for calf raises. 40lbs is already killing me lol

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: What's wrong with the barbell squat?
« on: February 01, 2012, 07:12:56 am »
thanks miller well would you say growth plates injury are more of a temporary feeling, or like one that  lasts a cpl days or weeks depending on how serious it is?

and yeah i'm gonna get to that, but should i take a side view or like a 45degree view?

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Article & Video Discussion / What's wrong with the barbell squat?
« on: February 01, 2012, 05:09:32 am »

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ADARQ & LanceSTS - Q&A / Re: Basketball In-season training
« on: January 12, 2012, 10:53:56 am »
Just minimize the assistance work, and do as much needed, not as much as you can, to keep improving.  There is really no exacts, since everyone is different, but youve been training for a good while, so your recovery should be pretty good.  I would do something like

a.  explosive/dynamic/ neural wake up -  4 sets x 3-5 (hang snatch, power clean, jump squat, etc.)

b. main lift (squat/dead/pause squat/pin squat/front squat) 4-5 sets x 3-6 , can be ramped, can be straight sets, depending on how you feel that day. 

c. p-chain/hamstring balance (rdl, ghr, reverse hyper, gm) 3 x 5-8

d. lower leg/calf (standing/seated calf raise)  2 x 15-20


** on days that you feel good and recovered, do a little more volume (the higher end of the set/rep scheme and use straight sets instead of ramped on the main exercise).  On days you dont feel recovered and/or beat up, use the workout as more of a cns wake up and activation day, and ramp the sets on everything. 

  For example the 4 sets of snatches with a top weight of 185 would go something like , 135 x 5, 155x 4, 165 x 3, 175 x 3, 185 x 3.  On a day you feel well and rested, it would look something like, 135 x 1, 160 x 1, 185 x 5, 185 x5, 185 x 5, 185 x 5.  Do the same with the squat/deads, and other exercises.  This will involve a degree of auto regulation so that you dont burn yourself out, and on days your body holds you back you account for it, as well as taking advantage of the days you are able to progress.  Try to consistently add weight to the bar when you can.



sorry if i bump this post but now its my in season, and a new thread for this topic wouldn't be necessary . anyways, was wondering, is it okay if unilateral work are added, like bulgarian split squat? if so how many sets, reps and weights to do?
also can i do jump sqats with dubs to the side?

thanks

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Hey , well this is for lane or adarq.

Well as title says, I  need a short 2weeks program to maintain my strength level to the fullest without weights, for lwoer and upper body.
I will eb going to the UK for holidays abotu 2weeks.

Was thinking of doing some lower/upper body workotu to maintain, after that lots of core work(seeing i have a weak core and its a great time to focus on my core), and lots of stretching for flexibility.

My current routine, upper and lwoer body two times a week with two team  basketball training days.
this is my latest log


LOWER BODY

squats
bar= 45lbs=20kg?
3xbarx8
1x30kgx8
1x45kgx8
3x50kgx7-7-9


Bss
4x50lbs bsx5-6-7


 
45deg back extension
3x8-8-9x35kg

calf raises 3x20-17-17


core work supersetted
lying leg raises
3x13-10-10x2.5kg
crunches
3x13-11-11x1.25kg


and


UPPER BODY:

 

 chin ups assisted
3x8-6-7x5kg
abotu 35sec rest btw sets



chest press

4x37.5kgx8-7-6-4





shoudler matrix x 3


seated dumbbell cleans
5kg( i think)x7-7-6


latrra  5kgx12-10-10


front 5kgx10



------------------------------------------



so then, not sure if stating my routien would help, but yeah thats jsut what i do and hopefulyl could do some maintaining work to minimize strength lost. Well if i could get strength from the 2weeks with such programmes using my bodyweight then sure yeah that'd be even better.


THat's all and cheers




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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: ADARQ's journal
« on: October 19, 2011, 05:08:46 am »
what you working as now?

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cool story bro

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