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When I weigh 300 lbs with 25% bodyfat and powersnatch 900 lbs, where do you think that puts my SVJ? Right, probably a lot higher than Harvey's.

VJ height is multi-causally influenced by different things. Explosive strength (ES) and bodyweight (BW) are two important determinants but in isolation they won't be great predictors. Maybe the ratio ES/BW is the most pragmatic number to optimize during VJ training. What that means is that you can either increase ES or decrease BW. Often one will have to increase both just making sure that ES/BW gets higher. And that is all there is to it. There is nothing special about a low BF percentage except that young men, strangely enough, crave to look like the protagonists of Twilight which results in their irrational fear of putting on useful body mass.

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I can see where you are coming from.

Regarding "having it the way it is", that's a completely separate discussion and my opinion has changed a bit over time. Given that things stand as Mr. Heredia describes them, holding on to the current way cannot for anyone be considered reasonable. Laws are supposed to protect the normative values of a population. But when those laws illegalize the behavior of the majority, one cannot any longer take as a given those values as normative. Laws like that are obsolete in any democratic system and only survive because of the superior power of a minority or the doubts about the illegal behavior of a vast majority.

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If drugs are really as far in front of the testers as this dude says they are than I guess I could believe it. However, if there was a decent chance they'd get caught I don't think they'd risk it. Imagine how much Usain Bolt stands to lose financially if he tests positive to PED's. Majority of his money would come from sponsers and endorsements and his profile would be shattered overnight. Same as any top sprinter coz the sprinters at the very top have the most to lose.

With that you somehow assume that Athlete A personally believes he would be able to perform as well even with-out drugs. But how can assume that? Maybe A's opinion is that he has some serious competition and regardless of whether this competition is doping, he might think that HE HAS TO in order to stay at the top. So while there is an obvious risk to taking banned substances the NET RISK is suddenly not as high anymore. Because what would happen if A's performance drops because of not doping?

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People need to read better. He said that drugs make it possible for athletes to have close to peak performance through-out the year, not that very good numbers are impossible to achieve with-out drugs in general. I personally believe that it is unlikely for top athletes to be clean at important competitions. Even if nobody would dope, but every top athlete believes everyone else is doping, suddenly it will be very hard for that individual to NOT take drugs for say the Olympics, which might be a once in a lifetime opportunity. Of course every other top-athlete will believe the same and suddenly nearly everyone is taking drugs.

Sports competition, in the final analysis, is just a more cultivated form of a battle for resources (material and immaterial), that has been happening in our species and in other species for millions of years. The modern human mind is able to create boundaries and rules for this battle, but whenever there is a way to gain an advantage by breaking those rules, competitors at the top will be very, very hard pressed to do so. Those people are not like the majority of people posting in this forum for whom training and sports is a more or less serious hobby. This is their career that they work for every single day for multiple hours just like we spend that time in school or work to succeed with our resource-gathering strategy. The difference between the two is that professional sports is very unforgiving and there is little place for average performers - unlike in many other fields of human life today. Top athletes make it their life goal to succeed and the way this is done quickly becomes secondary.

So no, I do not think that he is exaggerating at all.

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@ruso: You should definitely squat, especially when you are bad at it. Front-squats are not an adequate substitute since a lot of muscle mass is just left out with it. The weakness of that muscle mass is demonstrated by your poor squat performance. I am at the same spot you are at with my deadlift. I have a weak lower back and it prevents me from improving because I always prioritized the movement I was best at (squat). Sooner or later this costs you a lot of training time to correct that. So better start now.

You could work quite a bit on your hang-snatch technique as well (a snatch or powersnatch starts on the floor). You can certainly perform it as you are and benefit, but you might hit a wall sooner than necessary. I recommend you to start with that video: http://startingstrength.com/index.php/site/the_power_snatch. Work yourself up to at least 30 kilos more than you are doing now and I assume that this would help your jumping quite [edit]a bit [/edit].

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You are too far to the right. (edit: you are the heavy resistance trained line). Jump squats <50%, cleans, and depth jumps/pogos/broadjumps for 3 weeks. Deload for 1wk if necessary. Full ROM deep jump squats with 60-80% to maintain strength in all ROM, box squats, and continued depth jumps for another 3 weeks after a deload. You'll go up a few inches.

asstarded, do not do this.

One can only recommend such silliness if one has never squatted with heavy weights which means that 80% means sub 100 kg. Pathetic.

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So my front squat is around 140 kgs (308 lb), my snatch is 62 kilograms(135lb), but my standing vertical is 28 inches.
acording to coolcolj's calculator my strengh doesnt correlates with my jump

So whats wrong? what can i do?
Does everybody's numbers  correlates with coolcolj's calculator predictions?

One cannot meaningfully or otherwise determine a correlation between two characteristics of one person with only a single measurement of those characteristics. In order to determine whether a correlation exists or not one would have to compare multiple, varying data points of each characteristic.

Your snatch seems rather low for that front squat. How long have you been training it?

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210lb Standing Military Press  :personal-record:

Getting close to a BW/100kg press

That's pretty good, congrats!

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Hang Snatch Alternative
« on: February 02, 2012, 06:08:33 pm »
A good post and I agree with a lot of it. The front-squat analysis I find a bit troublesome though. IMO there won't be as much hamstring contribution because the very acute knee angle will cause the hamstrings to shorten from the distal end which means that there won't be as much force production from this muscle group. I think the hip extension in the front-squat is primarily glutes.
That is one of the reasons as well why I prefer low-bar squats and also why I think my squat is just a tiny bit too deep. I think for a top set at 200 kg x 5 it was not terrible, but there are still many form errors in there (primarily neck position and tightness at the bottom). A squat should be full, without a doubt, but you don't want to let the knees come forward at the bottom (hamstring relaxation), which happened in my squat for a little bit at least.
Interesting observation regarding the lighter oly-lifters though. Quite possible that getting stronger becomes is more difficult for the lower weight-classes. Good argument in 4) as well, albeit one must understand that small differences in exercise execution will still be likely to make a difference in training success. The reason is not because movements like low- and high-bar-squats are drastically different, but they are different enough that they will effect things long-term because small effects have the chance to accumulate. I am pretty sure that differences will exist for a guy squatting 2-3 times a week with one style or the other. If those differences will be in jump performance? I do not know.

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: What's wrong with the barbell squat?
« on: February 01, 2012, 03:15:33 pm »
thanks miller well would you say growth plates injury are more of a temporary feeling, or like one that  lasts a cpl days or weeks depending on how serious it is?

and yeah i'm gonna get to that, but should i take a side view or like a 45degree view?

45 degrees from the back.

Yup!

Regarding growth plate injuries: I do not know.

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: What's wrong with the barbell squat?
« on: February 01, 2012, 06:49:44 am »
I do not want to give advice about your injury and if you should continue squatting or not. All I can say is that generally, there is nothing wrong with the barbell squat, while there are several things wrong with the first article you posted. For example: It is the heavy involvement of the  lower back in a correctly performed squat that makes this lower back strong and therefore protected against injury. It is not surprising that the authors fail to see that, since they have to make sure that no one gets injured under their supervision in the weight-room. For them the consequences are less severe when instead someone gets injured on the playing field because he was not adequately prepared. So you can now see the bias in this opinion.

If you worry that your technique is bad, post a video of your squat.

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Hang Snatch Alternative
« on: January 27, 2012, 05:56:33 pm »
WTF?

So you guys were actually talking about doing jump squats with 80% of your 1RM?

I think this emoticon " :ninja: " is not enough to express my feelings.

But actually, this brings up an interesting question. I would highly doubt that this kind of loading would actually produce the highest peak power, regardless if for body, bar or system. Now I would actually want to have a look at that paper myself.

Avishek, can you post full text of the first paper for people here to see?

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Hang Snatch Alternative
« on: January 27, 2012, 05:53:54 pm »
WTF?

So you guys were actually talking about doing jump squats with 80% of your 1RM?

I think this emoticon " :ninja: " is not enough to express my feelings.

I did not bring this up. The "research" did.

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Hang Snatch Alternative
« on: January 27, 2012, 04:47:35 pm »
Our discussion was originally on hang snatch alternatives, so I mentoined a jump squat, and I cited studies showing that it is more powerful than oly lifts. How is that not relevant?

It is not relevant because it does not address the question at hand, namely whether training with jump squats at 80% will at least have the same (if not more of an) effect as training with an oly-variation. There are several arguments one could make in favor or against that, all of which are hypothetical unless someone does quality experimentation on it. The studies you cited do tell nothing about this. To conclude that the jump-squat is a better way of training based on these papers demonstrates a misunderstanding of that research and the generalizability of scientific research overall. 

So in absence of valid science to back up the olympic lifts vs. alternatives debate, one has to resort to analytical reasoning. T0dday and I already stated the problem of measuring progress, which does not exist in the same magnitude for the olympic lifts. Another thing that needs to be addressed is spinal safety if we are actually discussing using 80% of a back squat max for jump squats. It might not hurt you when your max squat is 100 kg. I will not try what happens when I load 180 on the bar and jump with it though.

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: Hang Snatch Alternative
« on: January 27, 2012, 07:03:41 am »
Thank you for the definition, it is sufficient for now. Your operationalization is lacking though, since going by feel might not be a valid measure of force production since you might feel muscle A fire more compared to muscle B, but that might be because B is way stronger than A and still produces more force - just less force compared to it's potential. You might want to think about that again.

About the studies you cited: They do not show anything of relevance to this discussion. The results showed that an unloaded jump-squat is highest in body power production. What shall we conclude from that? Jumping is the best training for jumping?

Btw., I feel my glutes quite well during front-squats compared to quads. By your definition it must be a glute-dominant exercise then.

And you PR'd your back-squat after front-squats not because they are so different, but because you are so weak.

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