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You being a lean 90kg at 6'4" makes more sense than me being a fat 82.5kg; yet that is reality. I dont have a lot of muscle to need a lot of protein and it's just a waste of money overeating it - but - i will be ramping it up aggressively as i get leaner.

I agree that i'd rather be 10% @ 85kg than 7% @ 75kg. But reality is, that's not going to happen. Even if i gained 5kg of muscle right now, i wouldn't be 10% @ 85kg. That's just how bodyfat goes. 10% at 75kg is 7.5kg of bodyfat. 10% @ 85kg is 8.5kg - only a kilo more but yet needing an extra 9kg of lean mass. That's why im set on getting this epic cut underway to 6-8% - and from there im gonna try to stick under 12%. bulk up to12% and i will  cut back to single digits, repeat.

My plans are stepwise cut and bulk cycles to attain a lean 77.5kg, 80kg, 82.5kg and 85kg. If i'm 10% at 85kg i'll have done well but that's going to be a long process from here. And i'll prob stay weak as fk too because i dont start getting strong until my bodyweight goes up to 95kg or so..

Coges, again it depends on how lean you are. Different thing when you're 12-15 vs 6-8. For the record i believe im closer to 12-15 than i am to 6-8....

Also, 10 days, not even weeks or months, it should be ok to do it for a short period

Beast. Keep up the great work!

Bodyweight: 80.51kg/177.5lb
Fasted duration: 12hrs (to be updated)



So I finally had that whoosh I put it down to the nice dinner i had last night, body was like, stress gone, lets release some of this water haha

Training
to come

Entropy, aren't you 6'4" or so? How do you consider yourself 'fat' at 6'4"/180ish lbs?

Todday said i have bird bones or im overestimating my bodyfat. I think the first is the right answer. I also lift lol which makes it even more ridiculous. But Chris i'm not obese or anything like that, just not lean lean..

so last night i went all out and had a slice of bread for dinner, a small cup of yoghurt and 2 cornmeal rotis. im living dangerously just above 1000kcal now.

What I don't get with fasting is - aren't you going to lose a ton of muscle?  Also, aren't you going to give your body the signal of "store more fat" the next time you start eating normally?

it depends on a lot of things. if you're fasting with a higher bodyfat (over 15%) it makes no difference what you do diet wise til you're leaner, just pick the easiest shit that works for you. but if you are approaching single digits or lower, then you need a lot of protein regardless of diet to preserve muscle.

the signal thing sounds bs btw. there are things called set points, you can reset them. but yeah, it's tricky, you have to work hard to maintain a (much lower) bodyweight. eventually it becomes normal though.

 how fasting fits into this, idk, it's actually claimed fasting is more muscle sparing, somehow. i dont know or understand the mechanism they propose for that but it's interesting to me all the same. i have been fasting for about 3 weeks now and eating not much protein, i should have a lot more muscle and strength loss than i have observed so far, so im actually impressed. then again, im still quite fat so idk if that counts for much lol.

in future cuts, i think i will do a lot of conditioning just prior to a cut, to get rid of visceral fat. i have a feeling it makes cuts all that much longer because you eventually have to burn that fat off too while you could easily burn it off even if you're not cutting just by doing a good amount of cardio. for me, that means basketball, a few times a week.

also, ive decided im prob gonna do another cut after my diet break. just get down to 6-8% and get rid of all that stubborn fat for good.

Fasted Duration: 24hrs (to be updated)
BW: 80.75kg/178.02lb



A milestone achieved of getting under 180lb. Still fat but starting to look leaner. Not too excited abou the scale movement cause the only carbs i had yesterday was 350mL of lowfat milk.. soo.. that means i'm just losing some water weight, prob, from lowcarbing yesterday. Even so, i was due for a woosh and it's possible i just had one? Doesn't matter, one day at a time.

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Training
CND - Fasted TM - 9km

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My caffeine intake atm is 800mg a day. I think i could go to 1000mg or more, but i might have to start drinking coffee. worried though that drinking coffee might disrupt fasting lol. I really wish i had some synephrine left over too I mean i could keep using pills just they'll run out super quick if i am taking 6 a day. Usually a 100 pill bottle would last  me over 6 months. I could burn through that in just over 2 weeks at 6/day. But caffeine is cheap so i cud just order some more i guess. idk. it's not available commonly here in oz so i'd have to order from US as usual, which is a hassle. why is hassle spelt like that but hustle has a t. stupid language.

Anway here is to getting ripped in 10 days (7 days left!).