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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Chris' training journal
« on: January 27, 2016, 11:05:23 pm »
Quote from: ChrisM on January 27, 2016, 10:48:20 pm
Went to the gym....didnt even make it through warmups for a speed/plyo day. About puked every where. Fuck. I gotta get a grip.

Easy on yourself mate, getting out of bed and about your day is plenty of achievement for what you're dealing with.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: Chris' training journal
« on: January 26, 2016, 11:50:27 am »
Sorry to hear about the marriage bro, there's someone better down the road for you.

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: High bar vs Low bar 2.0, by Greg Nuckols
« on: January 25, 2016, 11:23:35 pm »
I'm not really that knowledgeable about it either but if you're maintaining a vertical back, I just don't see a difference. I'm not sure it's considered a low bar squat in the true sense.

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: High bar vs Low bar 2.0, by Greg Nuckols
« on: January 25, 2016, 07:22:00 pm »
Yea Raptor, I agree it might be as simple as familiarity.

LBSS, I haven't noticed you leaning forward like most do when low bar squatting. This pic is what I think of when picturing the difference btw low bar and high bar.



edit: crap can't post photo but basically low bar showing guy with his torso way forward and center of gravity over hips instead of quads

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Article & Video Discussion / Re: High bar vs Low bar 2.0, by Greg Nuckols
« on: January 25, 2016, 02:51:55 pm »
Thing is I've never seen a video or read of athletes doing low bar squats. Why do you think that is? I haven't even really seen the argument put out there for athletes

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Bios / Re: Animals
« on: January 22, 2016, 08:40:51 am »
^^ Crazy video man, they're beastly... Died at 'where's the zookeeper" comment --- Classic

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« on: January 09, 2016, 03:25:18 pm »
Maybe too many variables to try and adapt to at once? You're already training with the weght vest and such. I don't know if it wouldn't be better to eat clean but well enough to train then just lean out sub 36 hrs hours of intended peak jump day or so.

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Mixed Martial Arts / Re: The Conor McGregor Thread
« on: December 14, 2015, 07:16:23 pm »
I'm digging this thread man. I've been doing some yoga movements to open up my body and really get my hips mobile for soccer but this seems a lot more effective in doing that.

Any links to simple progressions? I would def work this stuff on recovery days/ use as a warmup. You  can just see the relationship he has with his body by the way he moves and even stands. Awesome athlete

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« on: December 14, 2015, 07:06:59 pm »
I definitely agree on setting up a peaking phase LBSS. My main argument, and I don't think I expressed this well, was that you'd be taking away your strength as in ability to train effectively through strength training. It's not the fear that you'd lose your actual absolute/ relative strength.

Or to better express it, you squat and gain strength better than you jump and do plyos, so why spend all your sessions jumping and doing plyos when it's not your most effective mode of training. It seems inefficient to spend most of your time training what you don't do as well. I think Adarq and Lance also had that philosophy, focus on your strengths while limiting your weaknesses if I'm not mistaken.

^ But all of that is based on concluding that squatting in whatever form (full, half, 1/4, fast, slow, etc) has a very high positive correlation with the vertical jump when programmed correctly.

And also that you are better at strength training than jump training. I personally believe those to be givens but Toddday made a different a case. Either way I'm excited to see you get that dunk man. Just keep up the effort.

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« on: December 13, 2015, 11:03:28 am »
Quote from: T0ddday on December 13, 2015, 12:52:43 am
Quote from: adarqui on December 12, 2015, 07:31:08 pm
Quote from: LBSS on December 12, 2015, 05:25:18 pm

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T0ddday suggested that i spend more time jumping and de-emphasize or even remove lifting. still working out what to do but tried this today. legs beat, i'm not conditioned to jump this many times and maybe that's a problem.

de-emphasize sure, but I don't think removing it completely would be a good idea. You still need to be able to express more power in the squat, especially those MSEM singles you are doing. If you could get those singles close to ~2xBW, that would be ideal. Then you attempt to express that power in your jump sessions. If you plan on de-emphasizing it, you could condense it into something like:

Quote from: undoubtable on December 12, 2015, 06:45:48 pm
^^ x2 ^^

I wouldn't want to lose the benefits of at least one heavy lifting session a week (CNS, hormonal, muscular). I don't see any positive outcome coming from that. I'm all for trying new forms of jump sessions/ explosive lifting but I think you max strength work has always been a positive for you..

x3

Before everyone espouses the benefits of not dropping squats - I think we should explain the context my advice was given in.  Admittedly I am probably the least fan iron of everyone on the board and it's probably for personal reasons (I could dunk easily and was getting up around 37'' DLRVJ and SLRVJ and run 10.7 in college with a max-squat of 225x5, power-clean at 185, and deadlift of 405 [ dunno why by my deadlift was strong the first time I tried it...] ). 

However, my advice to LBSS was given in terms of his situation, desperate to dunk - has a 36'' jump and a 10'6 dunk and only wants to do a tip-in or alley-oop...  IMO he is probably jumping high enough to make it happen already with the perfect lob but essentially he is after that final inch so the day he is jumping well he doesn't need the perfect lob, just the almost perfect lob...

Given that I just outlined some strategies for peaking.  They are not what I would call good long term strategies but they work if you just want to see results now and don't care about what happens after.   Among them I listed hyper-hydration weight loss, crash dieting, hypergravity weight vests, and peaking by dropping weights from the program.  It's unfortunate that Ben Johnson's training methods got so famous because I guarantee he is the exception not the rule. 

Everyone else in track and field does some level of peaking around the world-championships or when they go for records.  I would bet a lot of money that when Bolt ran his 9.58, when Jonathan Edwards triple jumped 60 feet, when Mike Powell long jumped 30 feet, when Ashton Eaton destroyed the decathalon...  That all of those guys hadn't touched a weight in at least a month.   If the benefit of the heavy squats to the CNS was so great and irreplaceable then you wouldn't have worlds records falling to the guys who left weights alone. 

I think this might be a semi-semantic argument because while Adarq recommends a specific peaking protocol - in athletics the events themselves are the peaking.  The athletes who are peaking basically just compete a lot, maybe a trials of their event, do plyos, get tons and tons of therapy, and some easy tempo work.   I can tell you at this time of the season even though I was clearly not supposed to be playing basketball I always felt especially light (probably because most guys lose a bit of weight when peaking) and dunking and jumping were insanely easy...

I definitely agree with LBSS creating some sort of peaking phase to push for that extra height and to continue to motivate him but I don't believe dropping squats in some form of another is the way to go about it.

Here's an elitetrack article I came across a while back where several elite/ near-elite athletes discuss the same issue at hand. I only see one athlete who prefers to drop weights completely while most prefer some form of maintenance work (Jonathan Edwards actually had a session where he's going to failure on his Olympic lifts only days out from his record setting jump). http://elitetrack.com/forums/topic/maintaining-strength-through-competition-period/

What's more, those athletes compete in events with many more variables than the vertical jump so that weight room numbers don't have the same correlation to their success. With regard to the vertical jump, we all know the direct positive correlation that squatting has. Not to mention that LBSS is a strength dominant jumper so considering the athletes' specific traits, it doesn't seem prudent to take away his strength. A different case might be made for a jumper whose highly reactive.

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Pics, Videos, & Links / Re: jump videos
« on: December 12, 2015, 09:59:47 pm »
^ lol looks awesome and maybe useful in the way downhill/ overspeed sprints are used

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« on: December 12, 2015, 06:45:48 pm »
^^ x2 ^^

I wouldn't want to lose the benefits of at least one heavy lifting session a week (CNS, hormonal, muscular). I don't see any positive outcome coming from that. I'm all for trying new forms of jump sessions/ explosive lifting but I think you max strength work has always been a positive for you..

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Progress Journals & Experimental Routines / Re: a fast and explosive donkey!
« on: December 06, 2015, 01:20:37 am »
This conversation made me lol. I read it as she wasn't attractive in my eyes so I didn't get the impression of it being shallow.

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Basketball / Re: Will the Golden State Warriors lose in the 2015-2016 regular season?
« on: December 04, 2015, 12:55:08 am »
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/stephen-curry-is-the-revolution/

I love sports statistics and stats say Curry is changing the game and practically should take every shot he can because he's soo good. Crazy

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Basketball / Re: Will the Golden State Warriors lose in the 2015-2016 regular season?
« on: November 29, 2015, 02:17:15 pm »
I mostly meant to say from an aesthetic standpoint I hope basketball is modeled more after Curryesk players instead of monstars like Lebron. I respect Lebrons heart and leadership but Currys skill set is much more dynamic and fun to watch.

I'd also have to agree with Chris about shooting being easier to teach than athleticism, at least relative to making a difference in a basketball game. It'd justify the fact that teams seem to draft raw athletes with size and work on turning them into basketball players more than they draft great shooters and say ok we'll work on turning this guy into an athlete.

I can think of Kawhi Leonard who the Spurs have turned into a great shooter and all of a sudden he's an MVP candidate when it was said to be one of his weaknesses coming out to the draft. I was looking at his numbers and he's shooting 50% from 3 this year and was a sub 30% shooter in college. He probably won't maintain that rate but even at 40%, that's a huge difference.

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