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Yes, agreed that NBA players are not really great athletes.  Basketball specific movement efficiency creates the illusion for a lot of them due to years and years of daily basketball playing.

Wow T0ddday, tell us more about chris paul and blake griffin lol...  what kind of training were they doing?  I mentioned in the andrew wiggins training video thread already how I despise the training of most NBA players cause they do nonsense training. 

I know skillwork is most important (obviously), but doesn't mean you can't also work on athleticism and become an even better player overall.  Doesn't always have to be 1 or the other.  Not saying anyone disagrees, just mentioning why I hate watching NBA players training videos. 

What is athleticism?  W the exception of his height lebrons soeed and strength are far more trainable qualities than curries shooting...  if you give me 100 athletes I can train a few of them to have the speed/strength of lebron but I bet none will have the god giving shooting talent that curry does...   I love watching curry but I hope he doesnt inspire an even larger amount of kids to forsake their future because they think they can make it by practicing their slick dribbles and slow release jumpers...

Curry grew up w an nba father lest we forget... he was born in to far more basketball luck than lebron...

lol.. I would argue being born with Lebron's genetics is more "Luck" than being born into an NBA family. 

Regardless, the impact Curry is having on kids is WAY MORE POSITIVE than lebron cmon man...

With Lebron, kids automatically think, "man you gotta be born with that kind of size and athleticism", he's a freak of nature."  You don't see ANY kids thinking "I can be like Lebron"... They just think he's some kind of god

With Curry, kids can relate as he's a normal person's size and unathletic (COMPARED TO HIS NBA COUNTERPARTS) who worked on his skills like crazy.  I guess you don't realize how much work he puts into his skillset.  Sure he was always able to shoot but he didn't have nearly the passing ability or the handles in college.  He worked on it to become one of the best passers in the game and one the best ball handlers OF ALL TIME.  He also changed his jumpshot after his sophomore year in college.


You may be able to turn a few people into Lebron's athletic ability from a RAW perspective, but you don't seem to be able to see Lebron's god given natural basketball abilities.  Lots of NFL and T&F athletes are as athletic as Lebron, but I guarantee you even if they put in the work for basketball, they wouldn't be showing that athelticism on the court the way that Lebron does.  It's not just pure strength and speed in there, basketball is a lot more than that when it comes to athleticism.


Also, I must be reading the 'slow release jumper' part wrong.  You're not indiciating curry has a slow release right? lol i have to be misunderstanding this part


AND, being born into an NBA father doesn't always mean a good thing.  Some of the best athletes are the worst coaches.  I would say that Dell Curry was a good teacher, but the superstars (more creative) are usually horrible at teaching while the role players (more analytic) are better coaches.  An example would be the plethora of NBA coaches who were average at best role players back in their days.  So simply assuming having an NBA dad is a gigantic advantage isn't correct.  Sometimes your average HS coach can teach better than an NBA player.  It's similar to being taught how to jump high by someone from TFB or Air Up There or Kadour Ziani.  They'll tell you some dumb shit.  But yeah, Dell Curry isn't like that, but you can't generalize that.

T0ddday, did you ever play basketball at an organized level?  High Schoool?  I'm genuinely just asking, not trying to be a smartass.  I know you have a T&F background, but any bball?  I get interested in perspectives and mindsets on things from different types of people like a trainers perspective (you) vs an athletes perspective.  I know you're an athlete too, but being a trainer as well still does play a part in how you view things in my opinion

This is the video of Zach I was referring to in my post on the Wiggins training video thread.

6'6" 185lbs, 46" SLRVJ since college, not one heavy strength exercise was done other than those hip thrusts...

Quote from: Merrick on November 10, 2015, 11:08:27 pm

Thanks for all of that Andrew.. Feel so stupid for not doing my plyos with proper dorsi flexion all this time...

What are the shock differences with reactive plyo movements using dorsi flexion vs plantar flexion?  Does dorsi flexion create more efficient/better force absorption? 

If I've been absorbing with plantar flexion all this time, I'm assuming I trained very strong force absorption (obviously inefficiently though) particularly in the calves?

np, will reply tmw! must journal then sleep.

LOL... Not being serious.  Just adding on to Raptor's comment lolll

Don't use 5 minutes, use 2, or at worse 3. Don't even think of telling me about full recovery etc. No discussion here, max 3 minutes rest from now on, for ever and ever in the gym, whatever reps or sets or exercise you do.

5 minutes rest is useful sometimes so I wouldn't say never.  When your doing some heavy ass squats or deadlifts, and using a money set style or something where you just put everything you have into that 1 set

Routinely regarded as 2 of the best glute/ham p-chain exercises.  I am primarily training for SL jump with sprinting as a secondary goal.  I've been doing RDL's pretty much all this time as my primary glute/ham exercise.

I am finally getting access to a GHR machine (gym just got one).  Since all the coaches speak so highly of the GHR as an essential exercise for speed seeking athletes (as well as single leg jumpers), I am very interested in adding it to my routine.   I was wondering if I can replace my RDL's with them. 

I don't want to do both because I already have too much glute/ham volume from other stuff as is already (tons of SL bounding/jumps and sprints).

I'm asking because they do different things.  RDL's are a glute + ham hip extension exercise.  PROPER GHR's are a knee flexion exercise while keeping the hips locked in neutral using low abs + glutes contracting.  Different movements but same muscles involved. 

If I were to replace RDLs with GHR's will I be losing something?

edit:

Should I even replace the RDL's?  I have no experience with GHR's so anyone with experience please shed some light on what exact training effect they have on you

Thanks for all of that Andrew.. Feel so stupid for not doing my plyos with proper dorsi flexion all this time...

What are the shock differences with reactive plyo movements using dorsi flexion vs plantar flexion?  Does dorsi flexion create more efficient/better force absorption? 

If I've been absorbing with plantar flexion all this time, I'm assuming I trained very strong force absorption (obviously inefficiently though) particularly in the calves?