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Article & Video Discussion / People should watch this
« on: July 13, 2012, 12:04:19 pm »
http://startingstrength.com/index.php/site/sss_mg3

Mark Rippetoe and Marty Gallagher talking. One of the topics discussed is strength and bodyweight and many of you should listen to what is said. You do not get such a perspective elsewhere but it might be critically important to your strength training success.

This one was my favorite so far, but if you have not yet, you should check out the other interviews as well. They are quite diverse, so you should find something that is interesting to you.

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I am refering to the german translation of the 3rd edition from 2008.

I bought the book quite a while ago since it was often times recommended and the name Zatsiorsky certainly bears some weight. As the name suggests the authors tried to bridge the gap between the science of strength training and its application in practice, however one more time one comes to the conclusion that the gap is far too big to overcome at this point in time. While the scientific portions of the book involve interesting ideas, often times unproven hypothesises are provided as fact. One example would be the role of the Golgi Tendon Organ in stretch-shortening cycle activities, which is, at least to my understanding, not completely agreed on by the scientific community at this point in time.
On the other hand, the practical portions of the book mainly consist of observations of what trainers typically do or believe or have done in the past. While that is certainly not worthless, it is not particularly enlightening regarding the whys of them doing so and it also does not provide any information whether the current practice is actually good. Most practical examples are also taken from the context of elite athletes (for example of the former soviet union) without taking into account the problems that go hand in hand with applying that to novice or intermediate trainees.
The goal of the book is explicitly not to provide a training methodology for any kind of athlete or make concrete perscriptions. But I then have to ask: What IS the purpose of the book? It neither provides a sound scientific discussion of theories nor does it provide good practical advice for coaches or athletes.
It is what it is and not everything in the book is without worth. Knowing what elite athletes have done in the past to get to those performances is certainly interesting, although I doubt that this has many clear implications for a population that is NOT elite. I also do not think that looking at the past is necessarily the best way of determining an optimal training philosophy. That would have been a task for exercise science during the last decades, albeit it has produced only little research of value for even the most basic questions.

What's your opinions on the book? Am I way off here?

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Optimization problems in training - Why people get stuck
- by steven-miller



Disclaimer: This article does not contain any "training secrets" - I could not offer any, even if I wanted to. It is supposed to explain a fundamental idea that applies to many things in life and happens to also have merit regarding training design and goal setting in sports. Some experienced and successful athletes might contradict some of the points made. That is fine since they are successful in the first place. However, if you are running into training problems regularly and fail to achieve your short and midterm goals this article might be of interest to you. Critique and discussion are welcome and encouraged. Just make sure to address the actual argument.


Which goal setting mistakes lead to optimization problems?


How long are you supposed to rest between sets if you're aiming for mass gains?

How about to avoid mass gains [...] and aim for mainly strength [...] gains?

Questions such as this one are asked by sports people quite regularly - at least on the internet. Whether it is related towards the goal of high relative strength (that means the ratio of maximal strength to the bodyweight of the trainee) or presents itself as worries fitness trainees have towards the topic of desired muscle mass accumulation vs. undesired body fat gains, those questions always represent the flawed idea, that one can optimize ones training based on two (or more) contradictory goals. I want to illustrate this point with an analogy everyone should be able to relate to easily. Say your goal in life is to earn the most money you can. Optimizing your life towards this objective is absolutely possible and there will be a best solution to this problem, meaning that there is a way of living that makes you earn the most money. This scenario however becomes unsolvable once you have a second life goal that is associated with or, in the worst case, completely contradictory to your first objective, for example you having the goal of having as much free time as possible. There you are with two simultaneous objectives that absolutely don't fit each other. People will then say things like "my life goal is to earn as much money as I can while still having as much free time as possible" while not realizing that they have created a situation where there is no single best solution. Any way of living would then be as good or as bad for these goals as every other one. The objectives have thus become irrelevant.
Now be honest with yourself: How often did you state things like "I want to increase my squat as much as I can while staying as light as possible"?


Two different principles


In economics people realized those problems to be inherent in the economic principle as well. The economic principle just means that every individual is trying to maximize its profit. Profit might be defined as gains minus costs. Hence it is argumented that the economic principle can be followed via two separate ways, that of maximization (maximizing gains with given costs) and that of minimization (minimizing costs with given gains). Dividing the economic principle in these two separate ideas helps avoiding logical pitfalls and paradox scenarios.
This concept is extremely valuable in training as well because it enables you to set realistic goals that can be measured and allows you to imagine a training setting that best accomplishes your objectives instead of being stuck between two contradictory guidelines.
Applying this new knowledge towards our stereotypical statement about squats and bodyweight gains would mean that we have to change it either like this:

"I want to increase my squat as much as I can while only gaining 10 lbs of bodyweight." (maximization principle) or like this

"I want to stay as light as possible while putting 50 lbs to my maximal squat weight." (minimization principle).

But how does one decide which variant is the better one?


Prioritizing

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MUSiC anD SHeeT! / Some piano stuff for you guys
« on: July 25, 2010, 10:34:29 am »
Do not feel obliged to listen to this stuff if you don't like piano music or don't have an interest in getting to know what can be done with that beautiful instrument. These are some performances I absolutely - love - both compositional as well as in terms of the actual playing.




Let's start with some Franz Liszt, an Hungarian composer everybody should know. Unfortunately he is still not widely recognized by his musical genius but rather famous for his pianistic virtuosity (although he died in 1886 and therefore no living man heard him play, but the success he had as a concert pianist in his heyday is probably without comparison in the history of classical music). There are lots of interesting things to be said about Franz Liszt, but I will leave it at that and let the music speak.

This is the piano reduction of one of my favorite pieces called Totentanz (which translates to "dance of the dead") played by Valentina Lisitsa.

Part I:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxMKB-xe3lM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxMKB-xe3lM</a>

Part II:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM27fk6CWIw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM27fk6CWIw</a>


More to come :-).

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Introduce Yourself / New here!
« on: May 22, 2010, 07:32:24 pm »
Hello everyone,

this is not my first post here but this is not out of impoliteness. I am just beginning to know my way around in all the sub-forums and stuff  ;)
I like it a lot here and I am looking forward to many interesting conversations about training and other stuff. Thanks to adarqui for being such a great host and the tons of really great info he provides here!

s-m

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Hey there,

we all know why we train for strength from a physiological perspective - at least we have some (in my case) pretty rough idea about why. But I always wondered what exactly happens in the body in reaction to power training. Training for power might lead to some hypertrophie and gains in strength but usually not a lot and this is probably not the reason why we do it, since strength training, as the name suggests, accomplishes that much better. Obviously we do it because we hope it leads to the ability of the neuromuscular system to generate force more quickly. But how exactly does that happen, in which time frame can one expect it to happen and which resistance(s) should optimally being used for the optimal gains? Also, how can we test if power has in fact increased so that resistance in training can be increased as well, for example in a jump squat? In short, how do we plan a progression during power training?

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Hey there,

what do you guys think about these exercises for vertical jump training purposes? I remember reading Kelly Baggets opinion about the jump squat being an easy to learn alternative for the olympic lifts and there derivates. But what would be the best solution, if technique wasn't the problem? I believe that learning powercleans for example is very much possible even without a coach. I think it is not an easy exercise and the powercleans will probably not turn out perfect. But they don't have to be to be an effective training tool. Also one could argue, that more weight can safely be used in the powerclean than in the jump squat. At least I would not necessarily like to jump with my powerclean PR weight on the back.

So what do you guys think?

Edit: What about speed squats? Haven't read about those in a while....

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