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It was a great video for sure. No emo message from me on this one.

Dave Tate on box squatting:

http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/training-articles/efs-classic-squatting-from-head-to-toe/

The love of the box squat comes from the fact that it allows WPO powerlifting guys to mimic a competition squat while lifting in training without the suit.

It does have some uses with athletes though. It's very useful for teaching lankier guys who can't squat easily to load the posterior chain.

Quote from: Raptor on February 08, 2011, 04:44:02 pm

Dave Tate on box squatting:

http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/training-articles/efs-classic-squatting-from-head-to-toe/

The love of the box squat comes from the fact that it allows WPO powerlifting guys to mimic a competition squat while lifting in training without the suit.

It does have some uses with athletes though. It's very useful for teaching lankier guys who can't squat easily to load the posterior chain.

He says a lot of bullshit in that article though. Like, the quads are not that important for squats because if they were, we'd all be using leg press weights in the squats. I mean, you don't need me to start debunking that, right?

Quote from: tychver on February 08, 2011, 05:18:28 pm

Quote from: Raptor on February 08, 2011, 04:44:02 pm

Dave Tate on box squatting:

http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/training-articles/efs-classic-squatting-from-head-to-toe/

The love of the box squat comes from the fact that it allows WPO powerlifting guys to mimic a competition squat while lifting in training without the suit.

It does have some uses with athletes though. It's very useful for teaching lankier guys who can't squat easily to load the posterior chain.

He says a lot of bullshit in that article though. Like, the quads are not that important for squats because if they were, we'd all be using leg press weights in the squats. I mean, you don't need me to start debunking that, right?

take the issues up with him on Elitefts and get back to us what both sides said

what about HGH and other gh peptides, since HGH isnt considered a steroid?

btw raptor i read the article, please dont try to debunk it, cuz youll get owned by him

I might like it.

There are other OBVIOUS reasons why you leg press much more than you squat and I don't think quad strength has anything to do with it, or if it does, then it's a far away factor in terms of importance.

Quote from: Raptor on February 10, 2011, 02:05:14 am

Quote from: Eric on February 09, 2011, 09:06:02 pm

btw raptor i read the article, please dont try to debunk it, cuz youll get owned by him

I might like it.

There are other OBVIOUS reasons why you leg press much more than you squat and I don't think quad strength has anything to do with it, or if it does, then it's a far away factor in terms of importance.

yea, raptor is right.  The fact that you are leg pressing the weight at an ANGLE, not vertically, reduces the load immensely in itself, then factor in that youre not lifting your bodyweight, then factor in joint angles, rom, etc, and you cant compare loads in leg press/squat accurately at all.

Exactly. Quad strength is not an important factor at all vs these^^^

There's also no need to stabilize the weight and the weight point of pressure is on the hips/low back vs upperback, meaning you have a shorter lever in terms of weight application vs your body.

I mean, imagine if you had the same legs but your torso is 30 feet tall. If you put a bar on your back with the same weight you're squatting now, it's going to feel immense because it's so hard to stabilize a bar that is so far away from the point where the tension is generated (hips/legs).

Same goes with leg length. If you have a very long femur you're going to need a much higher strength base to stabilize the knee in a jump than a guy with a shorter femur.