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Sean0013

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Non mainstream supplements....
« on: December 07, 2010, 08:47:08 am »
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Is there anything you use that goes beyond the normal mainstays such as whey/casein/creatine

Green tea - It has some of the same effects as the above and helps burn fat and remove bad free radicals from your body.
I know 50 year old dudes out in Japan that drink this and only this after training and are squatting 400lbs at ~160lbs...r.i.d.i.c.u.l.o.u.s. Not that i'm reccomending you to do the same...just saying.

Raw cacao - Improves your bodies fat burning ability, has a nice caffeine kick, good lipid profiles, full of antioxidants, improves circulation (will help with recovery), improves hormone profiles..tastes great with coffee if you can get used to the biterness.

Cinnamon - Tastes amazing! Slows insulin spike if eating with carbs. Has anti-bacterial and anti-fungal properties. I definetely reccomend taking some if you have a cold.

Manuka Honey - Same as above. If you have a lingering cold/sore-throat throw a teaspoon or two of this hot water with some freshly squezzed lemon, a dash of salt and some ground cinnamon. Wash it around your mouth and down it. They also used this in World War II on battle wounds. It's been shown in tests to help wounds heal quicker, to have crazy anti-bacterial properties and to be an alround wonder food.

Fish Oil - Guessing most people take some form of fish oils in their diet...if people aren't taking Fish Oil you REALLY need to. It's proven to help compartmentalise macros. Helping to shuttle them towards muscle rather fat. The polyunsaturaetd fats act on PPAR's to improve insulin sensitivity and I know of a number of researches looking into the active molecules as possible treatments for diabetes and HIV-associated lipodystrophy. This is a must have supplement.

Has anybody any experience with mumiyo (mumie) it's something I haven't seen enough studies on and i'm really curious about..just not willing to dish out the cash unless i'm gonna know it's worth while??
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Re: Non mainstream supplements....
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2010, 06:59:36 pm »
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Quote from: Sean0013 on December 07, 2010, 08:47:08 am
Is there anything you use that goes beyond the normal mainstays such as whey/casein/creatine

Green tea - It has some of the same effects as the above and helps burn fat and remove bad free radicals from your body.
I know 50 year old dudes out in Japan that drink this and only this after training and are squatting 400lbs at ~160lbs...r.i.d.i.c.u.l.o.u.s. Not that i'm reccomending you to do the same...just saying.

Raw cacao - Improves your bodies fat burning ability, has a nice caffeine kick, good lipid profiles, full of antioxidants, improves circulation (will help with recovery), improves hormone profiles..tastes great with coffee if you can get used to the biterness.

Cinnamon - Tastes amazing! Slows insulin spike if eating with carbs. Has anti-bacterial and anti-fungal properties. I definetely reccomend taking some if you have a cold.

Manuka Honey - Same as above. If you have a lingering cold/sore-throat throw a teaspoon or two of this hot water with some freshly squezzed lemon, a dash of salt and some ground cinnamon. Wash it around your mouth and down it. They also used this in World War II on battle wounds. It's been shown in tests to help wounds heal quicker, to have crazy anti-bacterial properties and to be an alround wonder food.

Fish Oil - Guessing most people take some form of fish oils in their diet...if people aren't taking Fish Oil you REALLY need to. It's proven to help compartmentalise macros. Helping to shuttle them towards muscle rather fat. The polyunsaturaetd fats act on PPAR's to improve insulin sensitivity and I know of a number of researches looking into the active molecules as possible treatments for diabetes and HIV-associated lipodystrophy. This is a must have supplement.

Has anybody any experience with mumiyo (mumie) it's something I haven't seen enough studies on and i'm really curious about..just not willing to dish out the cash unless i'm gonna know it's worth while??


nice post man..

what I've found effective:
- caffeine from coffee (not energy drinks) for amping up for sprinting/jumping
- flax/fish oil + MSM helped me when I had some joint issues
- red meat every few days makes me feel boss
- lots of bananas makes my legs feel amazing, helps me take a "big dump" (actually 5 or so) the day after I eat 8 of them.
- high doses of spinach really helps with body composition but I'm too lazy to eat it atm, when I was eating 2lb a day for a few weeks it had a profound effect on strength/body comp.
- creatine does work, but i don't use it.
- without whey protein, I dno where i'd be
- ecconasia (sp?) golden seal is great if you think you're getting a cold/sick.
- ZMA had me getting some really nice dreams in, but so does melatonin supplement (3mg)

other than that, don't mess around in this area too much.

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Re: Non mainstream supplements....
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2010, 07:16:27 pm »
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ZMA is good for nice dreams dude! It's about all it's good for...the initial studies on it were basically fabricated by some supplement company..any subsequent tests on it show it has absolutely no effect on atheletes apart from a mild placebo effect...and it does give you weird dreams...i'll have to check out that ecconasia golden seal stuff..

Spinache and bannanas are great though..I remember one kid told me that his older brother (who was a baller back in the day, not so much anymore) always ate bannanas 'cos his coach (on the Irish U-15 team) told him it'd help him jumo higher...i've ate them since...hahahaha
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Re: Non mainstream supplements....
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2010, 07:20:56 pm »
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Quote from: Sean0013 on December 07, 2010, 07:16:27 pm
ZMA is good for nice dreams dude! It's about all it's good for...the initial studies on it were basically fabricated by some supplement company..any subsequent tests on it show it has absolutely no effect on atheletes apart from a mild placebo effect...and it does give you weird dreams...i'll have to check out that ecconasia golden seal stuff..

ya that's actually why i took it, just wanted to see if it would freak my dreams out, and it did, so i was happy.. hah


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Spinache and bannanas are great though..I remember one kid told me that his older brother (who was a baller back in the day, not so much anymore) always ate bannanas 'cos his coach (on the Irish U-15 team) told him it'd help him jumo higher...i've ate them since...hahahaha

lol nice.. i eat 8 (or more sometimes) the night before dunking.. it's like a ritual at this point.. when i don't do it, i feel worse that's for sure.. i feel really good getting when i eat about 8 of them.

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Re: Non mainstream supplements....
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2010, 07:52:10 pm »
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Holy shit! I had crazy assed dreams on ZMA. Always through it was me just being a crazyed assed motherfucker!
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Re: Non mainstream supplements....
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2010, 03:50:03 am »
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"Weird dreams" in what way? Positive or negative?

Dreaming is good, it only occurs during REM sleep so that's deep sleep which is very resting.
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Re: Non mainstream supplements....
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2010, 04:56:08 am »
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Quote from: Raptor on December 08, 2010, 03:50:03 am
"Weird dreams" in what way? Positive or negative?

Dreaming is good, it only occurs during REM sleep so that's deep sleep which is very resting.

weird dreams is always a positive to me..
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Re: Non mainstream supplements....
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2010, 10:12:23 am »
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"ecconasia" = echinacea
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Re: Non mainstream supplements....
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2010, 12:55:32 pm »
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Quote from: LBSS on December 08, 2010, 10:12:23 am
"ecconasia" = echinacea

wow i should have thought about looking up the correct spelling, haha.
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Re: Non mainstream supplements....
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2010, 01:14:03 pm »
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L-Tyrosine (although focus food is making it mainstream). Might just be a placebo effect, but I definitely feel more focused and in a better mood when on it.
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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2010, 01:25:45 am »
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Rhodiola rosea. (Arctic herb if I remember right). Pilot studies have shown to improve physical and mental performance, alleviating fatigue, and reducing high-altitude sickness. It may be effective for improving mood and alleviating depression. Scientists explain that Rhodiola Rosea most likely affects multiple systems in the body to promote emotional well-being, mental clarity/sharpness, and physical endurance. Stimulates neurotransmitter activity in the Central Nervous Systme and my affect Norepinephrine, Serotonin, Acetylcholine and Dopamine availability in neuropathways that control anxiety and mood stability. Further lab studies have shown Rhodiols rosea to enhance permeability of the blood-brain barrier to Dopamine and Serotonin.

Basically... it promotes healthy neurotransmitter balance in the brain and provides some relief for depressed mood, mood changes, mental/physical fatigue.

Not too sure about the physical fatigue. But from my experience with it it definitely helps mental fatigue. All my best hurdle days and workout days I've been on rhodiola. (Not to say that's the reason, but I think it's definitely helped)
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« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2010, 12:26:02 pm »
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I'm into herbal medicine, chinese /ayurvedic, all of it. SO yeah I do take a bunch of the things you mentioned. Cacao was my favorite for a while because it was an incredible stimulant, but if taken in excess it'll promote overtraining and kill your adrenals/kidney/HPA axis, just like all the regular pre-workout caffeine loaded supplements are capable of.

I'd recommend slippery elm bark, and marshmallow root, as well as licorice as three herbs that help balance out the jumper/powerlifter/sprinting, athletes that perform a lot of intense exercise, demanding for the adrenals. Traditional medicinals makes teas with those three in it quite often.

A bunch of other herbs help out to keep the athlete really health. My favorite is probably Ashwaghanda. After I overtrained for a while I took this, and felt amazing again, then I lifted too heavy and overtrained again. So you really gotta chill. In general, the adaptogens provide that extra edge. Ashwaghanda is the least stimulating one and is good for people who lift a ton. Rhodiola and ginseng are much more stimulating.

I have a 2 articles on rhodiola rosea on my blog I write articles on herbs but there's not much yet. Rhodiola didn't help me with overtraining, but in a healthy body, it certainly will. Reasons for it are very complicated in the chinese medicine explanations.
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