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Re: SOME JUMP/ PLYO/ EXPLOSIVE STRENGTH WORKOUTS
« Reply #105 on: July 23, 2011, 07:49:06 pm »
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I'm finally starting to realize how great single leg bounding really is lol.  It does a tremendous job training your body for force absorption, eccentric overload, eccentric/reactive strength, RFD, and even pure strength.  I would say for a single leg jumper, single leg bounding is the #1 best plyometric exercise there is.  

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A single leg jumper can have a complete training routine with just 3 exercises in squat, bound, practice jump/dunk lol.

For most the guys starting out trying to improve their single leg vertical jump that is a very good combination provided you added in a hip dominant glute and ham exercise, and a calf exercise.

Not necessarily true for everyone though.  The best exercise for improving anything is the exercise that best improves what is holding the athlete back though.  For some this could mean a bent leg 1 leg hyper, for others it could be a type of calf raise.  Squats are good if done correctly for strengthening the entire muscular chain, but at higher levels of sport more specialization becomes more important to see continued improvements.

If you're going deep enough on squats so that your hamstrings and glutes are being worked, wouldn't that be good enough to not include a ham/glute exercise?  Or would the quads strength go up faster than the hams/glutes and eventually have an imbalance?
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Vertical needed to dunk: 40"

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Re: SOME JUMP/ PLYO/ EXPLOSIVE STRENGTH WORKOUTS
« Reply #106 on: July 23, 2011, 08:03:01 pm »
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I'm finally starting to realize how great single leg bounding really is lol.  It does a tremendous job training your body for force absorption, eccentric overload, eccentric/reactive strength, RFD, and even pure strength.  I would say for a single leg jumper, single leg bounding is the #1 best plyometric exercise there is.  

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A single leg jumper can have a complete training routine with just 3 exercises in squat, bound, practice jump/dunk lol.

For most the guys starting out trying to improve their single leg vertical jump that is a very good combination provided you added in a hip dominant glute and ham exercise, and a calf exercise.

Not necessarily true for everyone though.  The best exercise for improving anything is the exercise that best improves what is holding the athlete back though.  For some this could mean a bent leg 1 leg hyper, for others it could be a type of calf raise.  Squats are good if done correctly for strengthening the entire muscular chain, but at higher levels of sport more specialization becomes more important to see continued improvements.

If you're going deep enough on squats so that your hamstrings and glutes are being worked, wouldn't that be good enough to not include a ham/glute exercise?  Or would the quads strength go up faster than the hams/glutes and eventually have an imbalance?

 It will for a while, the bounds themselves will improve hamstring and glute strength as well.  Some people get a ton of glute/hamstring involvement in their squats and some do not.  I had real good results with using a low bar position on an olympic style squat for the single leg jumpers, that style of squat FOR SURE improved the hamstring and glute strength measurably.  It is a much more knee friendly squat as well and actually served as a pre/rehab tool for beat up knees.

Some athletes dont get a lot of glute ham involvement in their squats, and need supplemental exercises to complement their training.   regardless of squat style or form, eventually SOMETHING will become the weak link holding you back, hell even in the squat, the actual squat itself is not holding you back from lifting more weight, its usually a single issue like the glutes, the quads, or the hams.  Once you fix that weak link you go to the next weakest and continue that process. 
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« Reply #107 on: July 24, 2011, 11:44:52 pm »
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I'd just like to say that my 2 footed one step vert has been responding very well to bounding (max bounding, max height or distance) this summer. I believe it is because it's working my hips more than I traditionally have and my vert in the past was not very hip dominant but is becoming more now.
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: SOME JUMP/ PLYO/ EXPLOSIVE STRENGTH WORKOUTS
« Reply #108 on: July 24, 2011, 11:49:58 pm »
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I'd just like to say that my 2 footed one step vert has been responding very well to bounding (max bounding, max height or distance) this summer. I believe it is because it's working my hips more than I traditionally have and my vert in the past was not very hip dominant but is becoming more now.

yea, the workout posted is for both double and single leg jumps, bounding will benefit double leg jumps a lot, especially focusing on both max height and distance.  Most are either lacking in hip extension or knee extension or both, so practicing going for distance as well as for height gives you the best of both worlds.
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« Reply #109 on: August 01, 2011, 09:46:45 am »
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Lance, sorry, I know you already answered this, but just to clarify and I need some advice.  So basically, I've cleaned up my diet and working out hard, and been PR'ing my squat and dead lift like crazy lately.  What sucks is they're refurbishing the weight room or something and its closed from tomorrow until the 10th of August.  The good news is, I found out that the one single basketball court over here is actually open after 4 pm, (before it is used for kids and badminton/table tennis) lol, and I am going to do single leg bounds again. 

This gym has a bootleg weight room next to it, only machines.  No dumbbells, barbells, nothing.  It has a squat machine (not smith).

What do you suggest I do?  Until the 10th should I just single leg bound 3-4x a week with some other plyo's until the 10th and then resume my 3x/week lifting + bounds OR should I do the single leg bounds until the 10th with the squat machine on the off days?

I am pretty pissed I have to stall my strength gains, but hopefully the single leg bounds will help me maintain my squat and dead lift if not improve?  If its not enough, should I add the squat machine?  (I have to check, I don't even know if it goes heavy enough lol)

Thanks Lance.
Goal is to dunk.

Vertical needed to dunk: 40"

Current vertical : 38.5"

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Re: SOME JUMP/ PLYO/ EXPLOSIVE STRENGTH WORKOUTS
« Reply #110 on: August 01, 2011, 01:01:35 pm »
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Lance, sorry, I know you already answered this, but just to clarify and I need some advice.  So basically, I've cleaned up my diet and working out hard, and been PR'ing my squat and dead lift like crazy lately.  What sucks is they're refurbishing the weight room or something and its closed from tomorrow until the 10th of August.  The good news is, I found out that the one single basketball court over here is actually open after 4 pm, (before it is used for kids and badminton/table tennis) lol, and I am going to do single leg bounds again. 

This gym has a bootleg weight room next to it, only machines.  No dumbbells, barbells, nothing.  It has a squat machine (not smith).

What do you suggest I do?  Until the 10th should I just single leg bound 3-4x a week with some other plyo's until the 10th and then resume my 3x/week lifting + bounds OR should I do the single leg bounds until the 10th with the squat machine on the off days?

I am pretty pissed I have to stall my strength gains, but hopefully the single leg bounds will help me maintain my squat and dead lift if not improve?  If its not enough, should I add the squat machine?  (I have to check, I don't even know if it goes heavy enough lol)

Thanks Lance.


Link me a picture of what the squat machine looks like.  Some are ok, some are horrible. 
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« Reply #111 on: August 01, 2011, 01:19:02 pm »
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http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/un/unique-strength-l016-iso-lever-squat-machine.jpg

there wasnt any picture of the exact one, but it's structured like this, but you don't load it with plates.  It has a set amount of weights you pin.  I don't remember how much the weight goes up to, but if it's not within my 70-80% 1RM, should I bother with it, ASSUMING you recommend I DO squat with the machine for the 9 days?
Goal is to dunk.

Vertical needed to dunk: 40"

Current vertical : 38.5"

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Re: SOME JUMP/ PLYO/ EXPLOSIVE STRENGTH WORKOUTS
« Reply #112 on: August 01, 2011, 02:49:56 pm »
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http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/un/unique-strength-l016-iso-lever-squat-machine.jpg

there wasnt any picture of the exact one, but it's structured like this, but you don't load it with plates.  It has a set amount of weights you pin.  I don't remember how much the weight goes up to, but if it's not within my 70-80% 1RM, should I bother with it, ASSUMING you recommend I DO squat with the machine for the 9 days?

Yea, thats one of the better made squat machines. Youre a single leg jumper, so you dont need to worry about how heavy the stack goes, do them unilaterally.  Do explosive sets of 5 each leg, and be sure to put youre feet high up on the platform.  That machine allows the hips to go back, unlike many of them, so it will have its uses. 
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« Reply #113 on: August 01, 2011, 03:15:43 pm »
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http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/un/unique-strength-l016-iso-lever-squat-machine.jpg

there wasnt any picture of the exact one, but it's structured like this, but you don't load it with plates.  It has a set amount of weights you pin.  I don't remember how much the weight goes up to, but if it's not within my 70-80% 1RM, should I bother with it, ASSUMING you recommend I DO squat with the machine for the 9 days?

Yea, thats one of the better made squat machines. Youre a single leg jumper, so you dont need to worry about how heavy the stack goes, do them unilaterally.  Do explosive sets of 5 each leg, and be sure to put youre feet high up on the platform.  That machine allows the hips to go back, unlike many of them, so it will have its uses. 

So I'll be doing sort of BSS's every other day, with single leg bounds on the alternate days yes?  This should be enough to maintain my squat AND dead lift numbers?
Goal is to dunk.

Vertical needed to dunk: 40"

Current vertical : 38.5"

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« Reply #114 on: August 01, 2011, 04:06:13 pm »
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http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/un/unique-strength-l016-iso-lever-squat-machine.jpg

there wasnt any picture of the exact one, but it's structured like this, but you don't load it with plates.  It has a set amount of weights you pin.  I don't remember how much the weight goes up to, but if it's not within my 70-80% 1RM, should I bother with it, ASSUMING you recommend I DO squat with the machine for the 9 days?

Yea, thats one of the better made squat machines. Youre a single leg jumper, so you dont need to worry about how heavy the stack goes, do them unilaterally.  Do explosive sets of 5 each leg, and be sure to put youre feet high up on the platform.  That machine allows the hips to go back, unlike many of them, so it will have its uses. 

So I'll be doing sort of BSS's every other day, with single leg bounds on the alternate days yes?  This should be enough to maintain my squat AND dead lift numbers?

 It wont be a bss, it will feel much different but do the job well.  Youre squat may even improve, it may not, but it should be adequate to continue improving your JUMP.
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« Reply #115 on: April 11, 2012, 09:35:07 am »
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hey lance just wondering, if on days its raining and can't find 30yards of space, how many reps should i target for the bounds? also, for double leg bounding for height, distance, do i go down to half squat ,lower, or above half squat?
single leg i'm guessing your legs pretty straight, a little bent right?

how about the speed bounding for two legs? how far should i go down?


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« Reply #116 on: April 11, 2012, 06:22:56 pm »
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hey lance just wondering, if on days its raining and can't find 30yards of space, how many reps should i target for the bounds? also, for double leg bounding for height, distance, do i go down to half squat ,lower, or above half squat?
single leg i'm guessing your legs pretty straight, a little bent right?

how about the speed bounding for two legs? how far should i go down?


thanks

 Do sets of 8 if you cant get accurate distancing.

 Depth on 2legs is  individual, dont think,  just  jump as high and far as you can, fast.

 Single leg your goal is to ricochet off the ground, not  bend down and "push".
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Re: SOME JUMP/ PLYO/ EXPLOSIVE STRENGTH WORKOUTS
« Reply #117 on: April 12, 2012, 02:41:45 am »
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Yo, Lance, wassup. I've been doing sprints for a few weeks now (been mixing it up with standing 2 pt. starts and sprints coming in from a jog) and feeling good about improvements in my speed. Would it be beneficial to add bounding to the sprinting that I already do, though?

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« Reply #118 on: April 12, 2012, 04:06:10 pm »
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Yo, Lance, wassup. I've been doing sprints for a few weeks now (been mixing it up with standing 2 pt. starts and sprints coming in from a jog) and feeling good about improvements in my speed. Would it be beneficial to add bounding to the sprinting that I already do, though?

 Depends on how much volume youre doing with the sprints alone. The  bounding can help potentiate the sprints if you complex sets  between the two.  It will definitely help your  jumping.
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Re: SOME JUMP/ PLYO/ EXPLOSIVE STRENGTH WORKOUTS
« Reply #119 on: April 12, 2012, 04:35:33 pm »
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Would you do sprints before bounds (if you're to do them separately) or bounds before sprints? I personally do sprints before bounds because I get warmed up well after sprints.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps