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Its me
« on: June 02, 2009, 03:39:18 pm »
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Joel C.
Soon to be 29. Im a former D1 track athlete. I walked onto a team and worked my ass off for 4 years under a moron. Since then I've been doing what most of us have...expanding our knowledge. Im a full time engineer and a part-time coach. I coached the jumps for a HS indoors. My top boy held the best long jump in North New Jersey for a while and my top girl was top 20 in the state. I'm glad to be here where I know a lot of the noise will be drowned out by science.

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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2009, 03:41:54 pm »
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Hey Joel. It's nice to see you here. If you don't mind, why did you stop posting on the DB board?

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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2009, 04:59:11 pm »
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welcome..

damn man congrats on the progress you have with those athletes.

im curious, how did you progress in 4 years under the moron coach? and what is the most glaring fallacies in his coaching?

peace man

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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2009, 05:00:46 pm »
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I still visit from time to time. Im not sure if you are confusing me with the other Joel. Also a former track guy. Im slowman on the db board as well. There was another Joel floating around for a while.

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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2009, 05:15:38 pm »
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Welcome, it's cool to have such a successful coach here. Hope to learn a lot from you!
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2009, 05:16:24 pm »
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Thanks! Im very proud of those kids.

As for my college career, I walked onto the team as a 41' triple jumper. Nothing special by any means. I progressively got worse until I tore my hamstring mid freshman year. My first meet back after taking two months off, I PRed to 43'. That's how overtrained I was. Spent the next two years never reaching that mark again. In that time I was plagued with injuries including shin splints, pulled hop flexor, and torn cartilage in both knees. Going into Sr year I was restriced from the traditonal preseason of running stairs for an hour. We also got a jumps coach who focused on quality over quantity. I improved to 45' after spending 2 years not cracking 43' again. Unofficially I jumped 46' in practice. I was strong, had great technique but was slow as sin.

The coach had no idea how to manage the needs of specific events. Preseason was spent running/bounding stairs from 30-60mins nonstop. That was 8 weeks of aerobic development. I can't remember one workout that included more than 45s recovery, most had a jog as recovery.

Secondly, volume was WAY too high. He was proudest of a workout that was 16x200m on an indoor track. Goal time was 32-35s with 1-1:30 rest. A midseason workout once was 3x8x80m all out sprints with a walk back and 5 mins recovery.

Nothing was ever timed or measured so there was no concept of a drop off. We ran till we dropped.

Finally there was no real speed work up until the week of league championships. At that point we would do a workout along the lines of a flying 30 with a 200m walk recovery. So speed was never developed..it was only introduced at the end. That was their idea of peaking.

In that time I saw a lot of good athletes get worse while a very small handfull improved. And the only ones that really improved were the multi-event athletes who were predisposed to have a higher work capacity. Most other people didnt even beat their HS marks until Sr year. Some never even came close.

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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2009, 05:23:46 pm »
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I don't know about successful, but thanks. Both of my kids were very good the prior year. The boy improved from 19'8 to 21'1" I believe and the girl went from 16'9 to 17'10ish. As proud as I am of those two, Im proudest of my mediocre athlete who's best was 15'10 as a Jr and we got him up to 18'10" by the end of indoors. He PR'd by 6" every meet.

Unfortunately I didnt coach them outdoors so the boy only hit 20'high and the girl only jumped 17'1". Both steadily declined as the season progressed.


I'm here to learn. I'm an engineer by trade and love the science behind the applications. I find RJ's writing to be well though out and well reasearched. He's willing to do the digging that I don't have time to do. Three of those kids I coached indoors signed on with me to train this summer. I'll keep you all updated on their progress.

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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2009, 05:36:51 pm »
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Thanks! Im very proud of those kids.

As for my college career, I walked onto the team as a 41' triple jumper. Nothing special by any means. I progressively got worse until I tore my hamstring mid freshman year. My first meet back after taking two months off, I PRed to 43'. That's how overtrained I was. Spent the next two years never reaching that mark again. In that time I was plagued with injuries including shin splints, pulled hop flexor, and torn cartilage in both knees. Going into Sr year I was restriced from the traditonal preseason of running stairs for an hour. We also got a jumps coach who focused on quality over quantity. I improved to 45' after spending 2 years not cracking 43' again. Unofficially I jumped 46' in practice. I was strong, had great technique but was slow as sin.

The coach had no idea how to manage the needs of specific events. Preseason was spent running/bounding stairs from 30-60mins nonstop. That was 8 weeks of aerobic development. I can't remember one workout that included more than 45s recovery, most had a jog as recovery.

Secondly, volume was WAY too high. He was proudest of a workout that was 16x200m on an indoor track. Goal time was 32-35s with 1-1:30 rest. A midseason workout once was 3x8x80m all out sprints with a walk back and 5 mins recovery.

Nothing was ever timed or measured so there was no concept of a drop off. We ran till we dropped.

Finally there was no real speed work up until the week of league championships. At that point we would do a workout along the lines of a flying 30 with a 200m walk recovery. So speed was never developed..it was only introduced at the end. That was their idea of peaking.

In that time I saw a lot of good athletes get worse while a very small handfull improved. And the only ones that really improved were the multi-event athletes who were predisposed to have a higher work capacity. Most other people didnt even beat their HS marks until Sr year. Some never even came close.

man that sucks..

i've seen it plenty.. i really don't understand it at all though.. the addiction to quantity over quality when it comes to power sports. Every athlete I trained at MSC had coaches addicted to aerobic work.. they turned every sprint session into an aerobic workout.. kids would come to me completely drained.. one summer we helped a baseball team achieve some great results in their sprinting, and within one month of this team ceasing to utilize our program, all of their sprinting became even worse than the pre-testing, due to endless "spinning classes" & frequent mile runs.. every single person got slower when we re-tested them after their pre-season training.

peace man

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Re: Its me
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2009, 06:28:45 pm »
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No, I'm not confusing you with the high jumper Joel. It just seems like you stopped posting at the site for a while. Either way, I'm glad you're here now.

Like Andrew said, you've been making great progress with your kids. Congratulations.

And thanks for the compliment. I'll keep digging while I'll still got little in the way of real world responsibilities. ;D