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RJ Nelsen

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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2011, 01:11:21 pm »
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Quote from: Raptor on July 19, 2011, 01:07:16 pm
Isn't that determined by the maximal strength? Or that was your idea as well? I mean, the stronger you are relatively, the longer stride length you're usually going to have.
It's determined by how much force one can generate in a window of roughly .08 seconds, while true maximal strength takes at least 1-3 seconds to fully express. Strength in the weight room and strength on the track are different entities, but one can influence the other. 
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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2011, 08:58:52 pm »
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Quote from: RJ Nelsen on July 19, 2011, 01:11:21 pm
Quote from: Raptor on July 19, 2011, 01:07:16 pm
Isn't that determined by the maximal strength? Or that was your idea as well? I mean, the stronger you are relatively, the longer stride length you're usually going to have.
It's determined by how much force one can generate in a window of roughly .08 seconds, while true maximal strength takes at least 1-3 seconds to fully express. Strength in the weight room and strength on the track are different entities, but one can influence the other. 

Source?
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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2011, 09:54:24 pm »
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Quote from: JC on July 19, 2011, 08:58:52 pm
Quote from: RJ Nelsen on July 19, 2011, 01:11:21 pm
Quote from: Raptor on July 19, 2011, 01:07:16 pm
Isn't that determined by the maximal strength? Or that was your idea as well? I mean, the stronger you are relatively, the longer stride length you're usually going to have.
It's determined by how much force one can generate in a window of roughly .08 seconds, while true maximal strength takes at least 1-3 seconds to fully express. Strength in the weight room and strength on the track are different entities, but one can influence the other. 

Source?

i've read studies that backup 0.08 GCT during max V sprinting.

no sources tho im lazy.
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« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2011, 12:54:55 am »
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Like Andrew, I'm lazy. Look up some of Weyand's papers though. It's in there somewhere.
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« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2011, 01:30:33 am »
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Excuse me, but 0.08?
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« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2011, 01:52:43 am »
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Quote from: Raptor on July 20, 2011, 01:30:33 am
Excuse me, but 0.08?

what do you think the GCT is for top speed sprinting, per stride?

for example, a double/single leg jump is 0.2x-0.4x.. dno why everyone is freaking out about a GCT of 0.08 on a stride during MAX-VELOCITY.

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« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2011, 01:57:16 am »
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Wasn't freaking out nor doubting it, just think it'd be nice to post a source when you post "facts". We all know the problems with stating "facts" with no source or experience.
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« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2011, 02:02:35 am »
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I actually timed my plant off one leg one time and it was 0.16 so... yeah, that seems about right for a sprint.

It will be hard for me to complete a squat rep in 0.16s. D'ah, life's tough.
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« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2011, 03:20:24 am »
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Quote from: JC on July 20, 2011, 01:57:16 am
Wasn't freaking out nor doubting it, just think it'd be nice to post a source when you post "facts". We all know the problems with stating "facts" with no source or experience.
Honestly? With stuff this basic it shouldn't be necessary to post up sources. Do I need to post studies when I state that resistance training is a good way to increase strength too?
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« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2011, 03:30:03 am »
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Quote from: RJ Nelsen on July 20, 2011, 03:20:24 am
Quote from: JC on July 20, 2011, 01:57:16 am
Wasn't freaking out nor doubting it, just think it'd be nice to post a source when you post "facts". We all know the problems with stating "facts" with no source or experience.
Honestly? With stuff this basic it shouldn't be necessary to post up sources. Do I need to post studies when I state that resistance training is a good way to increase strength too?

Yea. I'm more concerned about the 1-3 seconds part than the .08.

Considering you are from a forum where everyone just posts their opinion as fact, but then change their mind 2 weeks later, you should know the value of a quality source.
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« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2011, 05:10:45 am »
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Cos it's JC & his GIF's are lolz.


Original Link: http://www.iaaf.org/news/kind=309/newsid=4666.html


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There is only little time available for the sprinter to develop force during the stance phase. The stance phase where the foot is on the ground is only 0.08 s - 0.09 s long in the phase of maximum velocity.


It's about .087 seconds.
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« Reply #26 on: July 20, 2011, 06:08:01 am »
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Quote from: $ick3nin.v3nd3tta on July 20, 2011, 05:10:45 am
Cos it's JC & his GIF's are lolz.


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There is only little time available for the sprinter to develop force during the stance phase. The stance phase where the foot is on the ground is only 0.08 s - 0.09 s long in the phase of maximum velocity.


It's about .087 seconds.

Disagree. It's .083 seconds. Makes a huge difference.
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« Reply #27 on: July 20, 2011, 12:43:39 pm »
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Quote from: Raptor on July 20, 2011, 06:08:01 am
Disagree. It's .083 seconds. Makes a huge difference.





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« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2011, 01:45:28 pm »
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Quote from: $ick3nin.v3nd3tta on July 20, 2011, 05:10:45 am
Cos it's JC & his GIF's are lolz.


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There is only little time available for the sprinter to develop force during the stance phase. The stance phase where the foot is on the ground is only 0.08 s - 0.09 s long in the phase of maximum velocity.


It's about .087 seconds.

I was looking more for the 1-3 seconds to express maximal strength.
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« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2011, 01:53:37 pm »
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Quote from: JC on July 20, 2011, 01:45:28 pm

I was looking more for the 1-3 seconds to express maximal strength.

Well, it depends on how you want to quantify "maximal strength." If you're talking about a max lift, then of course it'll take a few seconds to perform. If you're talking about maximal isometric tension, then there is still a ramp time in which contraction intensifies. In both cases, time to peak tension is dependent upon the individual.

And why are you harping on this? It's elementary stuff.
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