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Girljordan

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Overtrained, overreached, or neither???
« on: April 07, 2011, 02:26:47 pm »
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For a few weeks I saw a great decrease in my performance, also felt burned out, which I kinda did on purpose the last five days of my 6 month workout. I know lifting a lot puts a lot of stress on the cns and recovering from overtraining can take weeks, months and even year,  and that it takes weeks to overtrain. so I'm not asking, what is over training I did my research on that. I'm asking does it appear that I overtrained overreached or neither? Here my workouts that I did after reaching my pb jumping height. On my rest days I sometimes play basketball, and I play hard, and also do rim touches at max effort, sometimes. So if I did overtrain what should I do as far as recovery,or just continue to rest as I am

Workouts from my journal: march 13 - today


March 13
Squats:
120lbs 3sets 8reps
170lbs 2sets 8reps
220lbs  2set 8reps
230lbs 1set 5reps
Power cleans:
60lbs
Jump squats:
60lbs 1set 8reps
80lbs 1set 8reps
         1set 10reps

March14
Upperbody/core today:  
15lbs curls 3set 8reps each arm
15lbs overhead 3sets 8reps each arm
25lbs curl 3sets 8reps
25lbs pulls 3sets 8reps
Light legs:
Explosive squats: 60lbs 2sets 8reps
lunges:  45lbs 1set 30reps

March 15
Core/lower body today:

Squats:
100lbs 3sets 8reps
170lbs 3set 8-8-10reps
240lbs 2sets 8-10
250lbs 2sets 5-5

Lunges: 1set 30reps
Calf raises: 100sl each 100 dbl
Tuck jumps
Depth jumps
Core

March16
Girl Pushups 3sets 8-8-8 last set10
Core:
Planks
scissors
Leg raises

Hill sprints

March 17
 Squats/power cleans today:

Squats:
120lbs 8-8-8
140lbs 8-8-8
170lbs 8-8-8
220lbs 8
240lbs 8

Deadlift: 70lbs 8-8
Power cleans:60lbs
                     70lbs
Squat jumps: 45lb weights
Sleg 8-8
Dleg: 8-8            
Leap ups: 10-10.   45lbs weights
1set 8reps 70lbs
Calf raises:100 sl
                 100 dl

March18
Girl Pushups 3sets 8-8-8 last set10
25lbs curls each arm 8reps

March 19
Dunk attempts

March 20
Rest

March 21
Half:
120lbs
170lbs
200lbs

Quarter:
220lbs
240lbs
250lbs

Push ups: 8-8-8

March 22
Rest

Last week of my 6 months truing it's 5 days of lifting then rest for a week

DAY 1:
Body Weight: 126lbs

full body workout

Warm up: jumprope
Power cleans: (will try to up weight)
60lbs 8-8
70lbs 3
80lbs  0
Dead lifts:
70lbs 8-8
arm raises
Pin 7 Explosive squats:
120lbs 5-5-5
140lbs 5
170lbs 5-5
Pin 7 heavy squats: as many as I can/ 2sets
190lbs

DAY 2:

hang snatches:
30lbs 8-8
50lbs 8
60lbs 5
Bench Press
60lbs
70lbs
80lbs
Barbell Row
50lbs 8-8-8
70lbs 8-8-8

Ohp:
30lbs 8
50lbs 5
60lbs 2

DAY 3

BODY WEIGHT: 130lbs


Pin 7 Explosive squats:

140lbs 8-9
170lbs 8-8

Pin 7 heavy squats:

200lbs 2

quarter squats

220lbs 7 ( think I could've got it half)

250lbs 2
glute bridge

225lbs

DAY 4: full body/core (I hate core exercises)

hang snatches:
60lbs 5-1

Deadlift:
70lbs 8-8
60lbs 8 explosive
60lbs Single leg 5-5 each leg

Barbell Row:
70lbs 8-8-8

OHP:
50lbs 5-5
60lbs 5-1

Core:
Hanging knee raises
Scissors

DAY 5:

BODY WEIGHT: 130lbs

Pin 5 explosive squat:
120lbs 11x

Pin 6 Explosive squats:
120lbs 8
170lbs 3-3

Pin 7 heavy squats:
220lbs

quarter squats:
240lbs

glute bridge

225lbs

March 28
Upperbody

               ( on my rest day I may play ball and I play hard or do rim grabs which involves trying to jump at max effort sometimes)

March 29
Rest!!!!

March 30
Rest!!!

March 31
Rest!!!

April 1
Rest!!

April 2
Rest!!! Pool can't swim so just walked around

April 3
2 mile walk

April 4
Squats: deep squats
115lbs 5x
135lbs 5x
155lbs 1x failed on 2 try

Standing leg press: half squat
180lbs 2x

Legs were pretty weak after this.
 
April 5
Rest!!!

April 6
Light upper body
Legs are still sore from squatting monday.

April 7
Rest!!!





« Last Edit: April 07, 2011, 02:33:33 pm by Girljordan »

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Re: Overtrained, overreached, or neither???
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2011, 07:21:31 pm »
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http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/05/youre-overtrained-huh-its-all-in-your.html
http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/05/overtraining-part-2.html

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This is a tough one to swallow for most... THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS OVERTRAINING!!! if you can't do something you are not in good enough shape. Here is a story:

IF you got a job as a garbage man (or run a jackhammer, or some other physically demanding job) and had to pick up heavy cans all day long, I'm sure the first day would be very difficult - possibly almost impossible for some to complete so what do you do? take 3 days off and possibly lose your job? NO! you would take your sore, beaten self to work the next day. You would mope around and be fatigued - much less energetic than the previous day, but you would make yourself get through it. Get home, soak in the tub, take aspirin, etc. The next day would be worse..etc. etc. Eventually you will be running down the street tossing cans around and joking with your coworkers. How did this happen? You forced your body to adapt to the job at hand! IF you cant' squat everyday, lift heavy everyday then you are not OVERTRAINED, you are UNDERTRAINED!

Could a random person off the street come to the gym with you and do your exact workout? probably not - cause they are undertrained. Same goes with most when compared to elite athletes.

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HE DOESN'T BELIEVE IN OVERTRAINING, ONLY UNDERTRAINING. OVERTRAINING IS PART OF THE ADAPTATION TOWARDS BEING AWESOMELY STRONG. HE REFERS TO WHAT OTHERS CALL OVERTRAINING AS THE "DARK TIME" WHEN YOUR STRENGTH GOES DOWN AND YOU FEEL LIKE SHIT. TO HIM, THERE'S LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL, AND WHEN YOU START MAKING PRS IN A COMPLETELY FATIGUED STATE, YOU KNOW YOU'RE GETTING SOMEWHERE.

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IF YOU'RE TIRED, TRAIN. IF YOU HURT, TRAIN. IF YOU HAVE FREE TIME, TRAIN. IF YOU'RE INJURED, GO TO THE ER. IF YOU'RE NOT INJURED, TRAIN.

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MORE VOLUME = MORE ADAPTATION. TRAIN MORE.

THERE WILL NEVER BE A DAY WHEN YOU WALK IN THE GYM AND CAN'T LIFT THE BAR. IF IT'S ONE OF THOSE DAYS, LIFT THE BAR... A LOT.

EVERY TIME YOU TRAIN THAT'S A +. EVERY DAY YOU DON'T TRAIN, THAT'S A -.

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Re: Overtrained, overreached, or neither???
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2011, 08:21:17 pm »
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Thanks. I would think you know what your talking about. Now I'm pissed that I wasted days not training because I thought I was over training and the last day of my 5 days of lifting I got a pr on my half squats at 220lbs.  :pissed:.

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Re: Overtrained, overreached, or neither???
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2011, 11:55:48 pm »
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just get lots of protein, stretch, and its good.

p.s. use lance's template  :D
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Re: Overtrained, overreached, or neither???
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2011, 05:45:18 pm »
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I thought I was over-training while doing smolov jr. But I was hitting PR's while fatigued. Then when I rested up I tested my max. Shot up 80lbs in 9 weeks.

Eat more and sleep more. You don't have to hit non-fatigued PR's. Just focus on hitting fatigued PR's. They will eventually catch up to your all-time PR's. Surpass those by a good amount. Then when it's time to rest up and test a PR you're physically/mentally ready for, you'll be shitting bricks of joy!
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Re: Overtrained, overreached, or neither???
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2011, 03:53:24 am »
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Eat more and sleep more. You don't have to hit non-fatigued PR's. Just focus on hitting fatigued PR's. They will eventually catch up to your all-time PR's. Surpass those by a good amount. Then when it's time to rest up and test a PR you're physically/mentally ready for, you'll be shitting bricks of joy!

This.

I think you did good to take a week off , but no more, the line between detraining and rest is not very clear.
Just get back to your template and do what guys here say.
Lift heavy + eat good/clean + sleep enough = win
Target training paces (min/km), calculated from 5K PR 22:49 :
Easy run : 5:48
Tempo run : 4:50
VO2-max run :4:21
Speed form run : 4:02

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it's the biggest trick in the run game.. go slow to go fast. it doesn't make sense until it smacks you in the face and you're like ....... wtf?