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Criteria:

-6 FT 1 - 6-7 in height

-Must be of West African Descent/ancestry (studies show this race tends to have the most fast twitch muscle fiber)

-Must have a wingspan similar to those of many NBA players, ie wingspan 105%+  of height

-Must have a tremendous base strength in comparison to body weight (many of these pro dunkers definitely lack base strength) but have so much elastic ability

-Must be sub 6% body fat

-Must have at least a good ability to palm the ball

All of this plus a lot of practice, flexibility, good coordination, and I guarantee this person will be able to pull off the double east bay on 10 ft.

I don't think these pro dunkers can get up over 48" above the ground ON A DUNK ATTEMPT (perhaps on a pure jump), that is why I say base strength matters. I think with good base strength compared to bw, this could push some of these dunkers over 48" on a dunk attempt.

that's one of the biggest factors though, you nailed it.. getting up over 45+ ON A DRIBBLE DUNK ATTEMPT. T-Dub could do it, golden child could do it, James White could do it.. Double eastbay wasn't huge in their era. Double eastbay off lob is way harder than off of a dribble, so someone with all of the skills/flexibility/vert is going to additionally need to get up disgusting off dribble. Separating the two skills, max vert & double eastbay, seems really hard from a motor control point of view.. so someone's going to need to figure out how to dribble up, jump max (45-50), and still transition into the trick attempt to try and land it.

dexton4 is actually someone who does that alot.. he has the right mindset but he's probably too short/too small of a wingspan. He's someone that more dunkers need to learn from; he's able to separate the dunk attempt from the max vert. More dunkers need to figure out how to do that, it's a "new skill" as far as i'm concerned, and it'll definitely advance the dunk game even further once more athletes learn to really separate the two components & then merge them back together in the air to complete the attempt.

athletes like t-dub, reemix, and golden child are also guys who can do that.. dexton just does it on possibly another level, because he actually doesn't care about dunking it most of the time, it seems. He's just a nutcase who loves flying.. that's a good mentality.

Yeah Jonathan Clark does fit most of these categories and is sort of close to pulling it off, but not really.

I think he still does lack a bit of base strength and might be a bit too upper body heavy. I don't know about his wingspan, flexibility, or ability to palm/control the bball.

I'm not saying a white person can't pull this off, or asian for that matter lol, so long as they can really leap in the high 40s ON A DUNK attempt and have the wingspan/flexibility/coordination etc, but statistically speaking, there is a higher ratio of people of West AFrican descent that fit these categories than other races.

It's not a coincidence that the top sprinters in the world year after year are all those that are of direct West African descent.

it's also not a coincidence that now some of the best jumpers/dunkers in the world are white.. when you shatter stereotypes, more will follow. When I see "white men can't jump" in YT comments now it's so cringe worthy.. I used to think it was true when I was younger. Obviously now I know it's complete bullshit.

And beyond that, top speed sprinting is a "culture" in Jamaica, just like long distance running is a culture in Kenya ... Both are
 "more African", but they both excel at different events. How many Kenyan sprinters do you see? How many Jamaican long distance runners do you see? Culture is more of an influence than anything else. America is incredible because of it's diversity, imagine if everyone in America cared about one sport, event, etc? Imagine if everyone in Iceland cared about marathon running like the Kenyans? Surely you'd see more Icelandic marathon runners, but instead they are into strength events & skiing, skating events, sprint racing on ice skates etc.

Culture is the #1 factor. If you have a culture around an event/sport, you'll have way more competition, and a bigger pool of people to select the best from.

This might be a good example.

Many people attribute an additional "component of success" for Kenyan distance runners & Jamaican sprinters (I use them alot because they are often thought of as genetically special), to running & sprinting barefoot as children and even young adults. Add to that, the fact that there are cultures around running in these countries, and that is alot of barefoot running from a very young age. In addition, you usually hear them talk about running to and from school, barefoot. There is a study which shows that Kenyan runners use better "barefoot mechanics" while in shoes, than other runners.

Now think about what the rest of the world tries to do by emulating that .. As grown adults, we become obsessed with running barefoot and try to incorporate it into our training, even creating "shoes" for it (lmfao).

Many in Kenya & Jamaica do it out of necessity. People in America (and probably China) have more access to appropriate footwear for running. Or, instead of wearing something more appropriate, they do what I did growing up, and ran in big heavy basketball shoes..

Finally, in America & China, if you do have parents who are aware of the potential benefits of learning proper mechanics through barefoot running/sprinting at a young age, they may try and utilize this as a training effect for their child. However, it's not distributed across an entire population like Kenya or Jamaica. So even though you try to give your child an advantage, he or she may simply not respond as good as another child in another village/city.

Alot of athletes from less developed countries who perform so well, are often lumped into "the genetics pool". Well beyond genetics, there's culture AND many of them do it for survival, to try and make a living, become successful, and there's so much competition around them at every age & level of their development etc.

And to add to all of that, for Kenyans, they also run at altitude their entire life. lmao. Want to get way faster, go live in Kenya and run there for years, surrounded by hundreds of people who run 2x/day, like Jake Robertson: instagram.com/jakehtbz/

Imagine if you had to jump 35" to survive. Imagine if everyone around you made a decent living if they jumped 35" from an SVJ, and you saw this from a young age. You really think you'd be jumping < 35"?

TEAM - Together Everyone Achieves More

That's a slogan lots of sports teams use .. that's exactly what happens when something is cultural.

Genetics>Training

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aKM_OY14AU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aKM_OY14AU</a>

Edit- Depending on the sport just culture is nowhere near enough. Take the Philippines for example. They are obsessed with basketball and it is pretty much their national sport. How many Filo players do you see in the NBA? How many Filo players even play in decent professional leagues? Not many.

I know you can list players <6 foot that played in the NBA but the average height in NBA is 6'8 and in most decent leagues throughout the world e.g. NBL, Euro league, CBA etc. they all have a similar average height of around 6'7-6'8. The only sports where training>genetics are skill based sports like golf, tennis etc. imo

Of course basketball is a skill based sport but someone that is 7'0 tall will always have a huge advantage over someone that is 5'6 predominantly on the fact that there are a lot less 70 people on the planet than 5'6 people.

Come on Adarq, 13 billion people (actually 15 billion because the census in china is corrupt/innaccurate)

And you finally found 1 gem to try to support your claim that culture is the #1 factor, which just isn't true.

I never stated that "gem" supports my culture claim. I was refuting your incorrect claim. Anyway, it's how things begin.. one guy in a country proves it can be done, then others realize they can do it too, especially children..........

Just like Usain Bolt proved to everyone a tall 100m sprinter can become the best.

The people that train for athletics in China, similarly to those that "start running in Jamaica right out the woom", are kids that state they love a certain sport at the age of 3, and put into sports schools right off the bat.

it's really genetics /training the #1 factor.....

Not all of them. Many of those kids are guided into specific athletic disciplines based on testing/screening that's performed, with kickbacks (money) to the parents, and the potential for a better life.

Even if they were 3 year old kids who loved "olympic weightlifting & olympic diving" (LMFAO, do you recognize how ridiculous that sounds), it's not certain that they wouldn't have been better left to develop more naturally, and realize they actually love sprinting. Those 3 year old "phenoms", don't have Chinese sprinters as role models.

USA is a basketball culture, but the NBA is dominated by AFrican Americans, it's just a FACT. It's not stereotyping at all.

but pretty much all of the europeans entering the league are white? Why aren't the non-US players entering the league, all black, from African countries, or just black people from mixed/mostly white countries?

Even though African Americans only account for roughly 10-13% of the population.

You're telling me white people just aren't into basketball, hence the NBA is like 90% people of direct West African descent/lineage?

I see plenty of white people in the league, obviously nowhere near black, but could that be attributed more towards where african americans grow up? how sports is basically the #1 option in most of these areas, not education?

Parents who let their kids play sports all day, put them in leagues, idolize sports stars, instead of forcing them to come inside and study, regardless of color, will have more athletic children. That's a sad fact of where many athletes grow up, low income areas, low education areas, emphasis on sports & competition, not education.

Have you ever been to a "mostly white town/city" in the US and watched their children/sports leagues? When I grew up in the area, it was mostly white here, no tackle football, only flag football. Now a large percentage of the population is black and guess what, tackle football and it's become a massive culture down here, and it's mostly black people playing it.

So, would I have had any chance at football growing up in this mostly white/elderly area at the time? Or would I have more of a chance growing up now, with tackle football leagues and tons of children whose family members/parents/etc have also played, perhaps at the collegiate and NFL levels as well?

Yeah Mutomboo, lol at philippines, they do love bball down there hahaha, but they're just at such a disadvantage due to their genetics lol, also it's true, they don't train as optimal as USA people or have great BBALL minds as USA trainers/coaches etc....

They probably have people < 6' being trained to play Center, Forward, etc.



Where'd you get your 90% number from? Your ass? It's probably a pretty close guess though. This is from something on wikipedia:

"the NBA in 2015 was composed of 74.4 percent black players, 23.3 percent white players, 1.8 percent Latino players, and 0.2 percent Asian players."



Clarify one thing for me though.. If a white player dominates in the NBA, what's it attributable to? Genetics? But how can it be attributable to genetics if, he's not of "West African Descent and/or not black" (even though we all descend from Africa)?

So what makes a white NBA player successful, or more successful, than his genetically superior black colleagues?

Btw, this is the argument racists always end up at: for whites, it's skill and hard work. For blacks, ok they maybe work hard but it's all genetics. Their genetics codify the ability to put a ball through a hoop from 30+ feet away @ ~40+ % accuracy.

How come there's no black NFL quarterbacks??? Ever heard that one? Remember when that was a "thing" 15 years ago? What happened to that theory? DESTROYED. The theory was based on the "fact" that blacks weren't as smart/capable in such a position, they don't have the "intelligence genetics" to be able to play QB. Well, one after the other, black QB's started to emerge, more & more young black children began to emulate Warren Moon & Randal Cunningham, and now we have black superstar QB's who can play just as good as any white QB.

smh.. kinda sad tbh.

These discussions always suck.

BTW FDL, you'll never reach 40" SVJ because of your genetics. Might as well quit now, you have no chance. Someone of West African Descent can do it easily, but you never will.......... If you fail to reach 40" SVJ, it could be attributable to genetics, but it would be mostly attributable to training, and not developing such qualities (to give you more of a chance later on in life) while you were a young child/young teen/young adult etc.

You can reach 40" SVJ though, you know why? All you have to hit is 2.5-3xBW squat while being ~6-8% body fat, and jumping over 100,000 times.. None of those components are constrained to being "black". They are constrained to putting in the proper work, and hitting the right numbers.

pc

If I were to say "German Shepards, in general, have stronger bites than Cocker Spaniels" would I be a dog racist?

If I were to say "All german shepards have stronger bites than cocker spaniels" than I may be stereotyping.

Sure there has to be certain cocker spaniels out there that have stronger bites than certain German Shepards, but those are obv outliers.

Your golden nugget basket is getting heavier.

The problem (one of many) with your analogy is, these dogs are of completely different structure (size/weight), and you're using a strength measurement.

If you were comparing the bite strength of black cocker spaniels to white cocker spaniels, that'd resemble more of what you're doing with humans.

A few interesting articles I found.

Summary: genetic is an advantage, but without training it's nothing. Culture provides the encouragement to get these people with an genetic advantage to get into that sport as adarq was stating. If Jamaica was not supporting sprinters, jamaica would be like any other country and not famous for sprinting.

No athlete became great because he/she was born with certain genes. Every great athlete put in their share of hours in the gym. Hard work is a necessary component of being a good athlete.

http://athleteculture.com/training/athletic-science-genetics-vs-effort/

Genetic and Culture
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-science-imagination/201305/genes-affect-culture-culture-affects-genes

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/to-what-extent-does-genetic-make-up-contribute-to-athletic-performance-1.1271394

Good reads.