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http://www.yourefatbecauseyourestupid.com/LosingWeight.htm


I love the rant, it reminds me of the man show's "stop eating so much" diet
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Re: Weight loss for people with excuses and without common sense
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2011, 11:27:39 am »
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Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Weight loss for people with excuses and without common sense
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2011, 10:08:20 am »
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Rants aren't good in any scientific category of study because they close the mind, and hinder rational processes. This is some terrible health advice, and won't work in the long term.

"If you consume less calories than you require every day, your body will pull the extra calories it needs from the stored fat on your body. Conversely, if you consume more calories than you need, your body stores those calories as fat. It really is that simple."

-Not it's not. Unfortunately eating less only works in the short term, and makes you fatter in the long term, unless eating less was arrived at by switching calories to whole foods entirely.

" A salad with lettuce, tomato, bell peppers, avacado, mushrooms, and topped with a grilled chicken breast is high in protein, fiber, and vitamins."

-That's a good meal if you want to lose weight, I won't deny that. But in the long term, it will have consequences on your metabolism, starting with less thyroid hormone, less T4 to T3 conversion. How many people out there are fat from eating clean foods? The only way I could get really fat eating 100% whole foods is if I ate a lot of fat and carbs with every single meal. I'd feel sick though very shortly.

"You may still be eating too much. Little snacks throughout the day can add up. Make sure you're not sabatoging yourself by eating high calorie snacks in between meals because you're hungry. If you need a snack, have something like celery with a little peanut butter, or an apple or other fruit."

-Again, starvation works in the short term, because of an adrenaline high. THe body will quickly become insensitive to adrenaline and start to feel terrible. Check out 180degreehealth.blogspot.com, Matt Stone has worked with a lot of people who have followed simple health advice like this, only to get fatter and less healthy.

Since I don't believe in the efficacy of ranting, I won't rant. But I will say the 2nd half of the article is better. Sticking with it is good advice, although somewhat obvious. Sticking with a low calorie diet though, is badd mainstream advice that should not be followed.

I know the author has good intentions, but this type of advice has truly destroyed many people's health. If you're weight lifting and training for VJ, the last thing you want to do is eat less. It's how I made no gains for like 2 years, and overtrained the whole time
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: Weight loss for people with excuses and without common sense
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2011, 11:52:19 am »
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Rants aren't good in any scientific category of study because they close the mind, and hinder rational processes. This is some terrible health advice, and won't work in the long term.

"If you consume less calories than you require every day, your body will pull the extra calories it needs from the stored fat on your body. Conversely, if you consume more calories than you need, your body stores those calories as fat. It really is that simple."

-Not it's not. Unfortunately eating less only works in the short term, and makes you fatter in the long term, unless eating less was arrived at by switching calories to whole foods entirely.

" A salad with lettuce, tomato, bell peppers, avacado, mushrooms, and topped with a grilled chicken breast is high in protein, fiber, and vitamins."

-That's a good meal if you want to lose weight, I won't deny that. But in the long term, it will have consequences on your metabolism, starting with less thyroid hormone, less T4 to T3 conversion. How many people out there are fat from eating clean foods? The only way I could get really fat eating 100% whole foods is if I ate a lot of fat and carbs with every single meal. I'd feel sick though very shortly.

"You may still be eating too much. Little snacks throughout the day can add up. Make sure you're not sabatoging yourself by eating high calorie snacks in between meals because you're hungry. If you need a snack, have something like celery with a little peanut butter, or an apple or other fruit."

-Again, starvation works in the short term, because of an adrenaline high. THe body will quickly become insensitive to adrenaline and start to feel terrible. Check out 180degreehealth.blogspot.com, Matt Stone has worked with a lot of people who have followed simple health advice like this, only to get fatter and less healthy.

Since I don't believe in the efficacy of ranting, I won't rant. But I will say the 2nd half of the article is better. Sticking with it is good advice, although somewhat obvious. Sticking with a low calorie diet though, is badd mainstream advice that should not be followed.

I know the author has good intentions, but this type of advice has truly destroyed many people's health. If you're weight lifting and training for VJ, the last thing you want to do is eat less. It's how I made no gains for like 2 years, and overtrained the whole time



so they got fat from starvation?


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Re: Weight loss for people with excuses and without common sense
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2011, 02:06:25 pm »
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People get fat in the long term from low calorie diets once exposed to food. These people probably have crushed metabolisms and may experience the same phenomenon once exposed to unlimited amounts of food. People with unhealthy metabolisms do not gain massive amounts of fat if exposed to unlimited amounts of food. This is what all the overfeeding studies have shown

Jimmy Moore of livin la vida low carb is a great example. Lost like hundred pounds form low carb dieting, gained 60 back after 2 years.

Bodybuilders are another great example. [http://scottabel.blogspot.com/2011/04/self-destructive-nature-of-willpower.html]http://scottabel.blogspot.com/2011/04/self-destructive-nature-of-willpower.html[/http://scottabel.blogspot.com/2011/04/self-destructive-nature-of-willpower.html]



Some science: http://www.cswd.org/docs/ltdietstudy.html


"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Re: Weight loss for people with excuses and without common sense
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2011, 02:47:16 pm »
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! funny thread.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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Re: Weight loss for people with excuses and without common sense
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2011, 03:02:18 pm »
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! funny thread.

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Re: Weight loss for people with excuses and without common sense
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2011, 03:12:29 pm »
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People get fat in the long term from low calorie diets once exposed to food. These people probably have crushed metabolisms and may experience the same phenomenon once exposed to unlimited amounts of food. People with unhealthy metabolisms do not gain massive amounts of fat if exposed to unlimited amounts of food. This is what all the overfeeding studies have shown

Jimmy Moore of livin la vida low carb is a great example. Lost like hundred pounds form low carb dieting, gained 60 back after 2 years.

Bodybuilders are another great example. [http://scottabel.blogspot.com/2011/04/self-destructive-nature-of-willpower.html]http://scottabel.blogspot.com/2011/04/self-destructive-nature-of-willpower.html[/http://scottabel.blogspot.com/2011/04/self-destructive-nature-of-willpower.html]



Some science: http://www.cswd.org/docs/ltdietstudy.html




You're over complicating things.  Weight loss and maintenance of weight loss is a matter of motivation vs discipline.  Motivation = a short fiery emotion that makes you want to do something.  Discipline = ability to stick to something, and not chicken out.  Americans satisfy themselves everyday ASAP, so how do you expect them to maintain a diet if they can't avoid satisfying themselves.  If you have discipline you will keep the weight off, if you don't, you don't deserve to keep the weight off.

I don't get the metabolism stuff.  Of course you will gain weight if you start eating more food than normal.  I think it's common sense.  People aren't fit in America because they're undisciplined, and stupid.

That's just what I think.

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Re: Weight loss for people with excuses and without common sense
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2011, 10:24:10 pm »
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People get fat in the long term from low calorie diets once exposed to food. These people probably have crushed metabolisms and may experience the same phenomenon once exposed to unlimited amounts of food. People with unhealthy metabolisms do not gain massive amounts of fat if exposed to unlimited amounts of food. This is what all the overfeeding studies have shown

Jimmy Moore of livin la vida low carb is a great example. Lost like hundred pounds form low carb dieting, gained 60 back after 2 years.

Bodybuilders are another great example. [http://scottabel.blogspot.com/2011/04/self-destructive-nature-of-willpower.html]http://scottabel.blogspot.com/2011/04/self-destructive-nature-of-willpower.html[/http://scottabel.blogspot.com/2011/04/self-destructive-nature-of-willpower.html]



Some science: http://www.cswd.org/docs/ltdietstudy.html




You're over complicating things.  Weight loss and maintenance of weight loss is a matter of motivation vs discipline.  Motivation = a short fiery emotion that makes you want to do something.  Discipline = ability to stick to something, and not chicken out.  Americans satisfy themselves everyday ASAP, so how do you expect them to maintain a diet if they can't avoid satisfying themselves.  If you have discipline you will keep the weight off, if you don't, you don't deserve to keep the weight off.

I don't get the metabolism stuff.  Of course you will gain weight if you start eating more food than normal.  I think it's common sense.  People aren't fit in America because they're undisciplined, and stupid.

That's just what I think.

are you insinuating that most Americans are dumb and/or out of shape?


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Re: Weight loss for people with excuses and without common sense
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2011, 04:16:58 am »
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People get fat in the long term from low calorie diets once exposed to food. These people probably have crushed metabolisms and may experience the same phenomenon once exposed to unlimited amounts of food. People with unhealthy metabolisms do not gain massive amounts of fat if exposed to unlimited amounts of food. This is what all the overfeeding studies have shown

Jimmy Moore of livin la vida low carb is a great example. Lost like hundred pounds form low carb dieting, gained 60 back after 2 years.

Bodybuilders are another great example. [http://scottabel.blogspot.com/2011/04/self-destructive-nature-of-willpower.html]http://scottabel.blogspot.com/2011/04/self-destructive-nature-of-willpower.html[/http://scottabel.blogspot.com/2011/04/self-destructive-nature-of-willpower.html]



Some science: http://www.cswd.org/docs/ltdietstudy.html




You're over complicating things.  Weight loss and maintenance of weight loss is a matter of motivation vs discipline.  Motivation = a short fiery emotion that makes you want to do something.  Discipline = ability to stick to something, and not chicken out.  Americans satisfy themselves everyday ASAP, so how do you expect them to maintain a diet if they can't avoid satisfying themselves.  If you have discipline you will keep the weight off, if you don't, you don't deserve to keep the weight off.

I don't get the metabolism stuff.  Of course you will gain weight if you start eating more food than normal.  I think it's common sense.  People aren't fit in America because they're undisciplined, and stupid.

That's just what I think.

are you insinuating that most Americans are dumb and/or out of shape?



You might be on to something here.
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Weight loss for people with excuses and without common sense
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2011, 07:16:31 am »
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People get fat in the long term from low calorie diets once exposed to food. These people probably have crushed metabolisms and may experience the same phenomenon once exposed to unlimited amounts of food. People with unhealthy metabolisms do not gain massive amounts of fat if exposed to unlimited amounts of food. This is what all the overfeeding studies have shown

Jimmy Moore of livin la vida low carb is a great example. Lost like hundred pounds form low carb dieting, gained 60 back after 2 years.

Bodybuilders are another great example. [http://scottabel.blogspot.com/2011/04/self-destructive-nature-of-willpower.html]http://scottabel.blogspot.com/2011/04/self-destructive-nature-of-willpower.html[/http://scottabel.blogspot.com/2011/04/self-destructive-nature-of-willpower.html]



Some science: http://www.cswd.org/docs/ltdietstudy.html




You're over complicating things.  Weight loss and maintenance of weight loss is a matter of motivation vs discipline.  Motivation = a short fiery emotion that makes you want to do something.  Discipline = ability to stick to something, and not chicken out. Americans satisfy themselves everyday ASAP, so how do you expect them to maintain a diet if they can't avoid satisfying themselves.  If you have discipline you will keep the weight off, if you don't, you don't deserve to keep the weight off.

I don't get the metabolism stuff.  Of course you will gain weight if you start eating more food than normal.  I think it's common sense. People aren't fit in America because they're undisciplined, and stupid.

That's just what I think.

are you insinuating that most Americans are dumb and/or out of shape?



kind of  ;D.  I gotta make it clear first I am American though.  I don't know how to prove it on a forum, but oh well.  If you took randomly picked Americans off the street and asked them questions about nutrition, and tested their "fitness" a large portion would probably fail.  I'm not saying most would fail, but probably a large percentage.

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Re: Weight loss for people with excuses and without common sense
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2011, 07:59:43 am »
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I'm not saying most would fail, but probably a large percentage.

Fail.

Just kidding, but it does sound a bit weird :P
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Re: Weight loss for people with excuses and without common sense
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2011, 04:22:43 pm »
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It is very complicated. Simple people in the fitness industry believe in the simplicity of exercise more eat less. What I'm arguing is that it's terrible advice, which it is, since it fails to produce long term health or long term weight loss, simplest reason being stress. Discipline is irrelevant, it's about where to direct that discipline. Try getting people to lose weight with this bullshit then get back to me

Edit: There are plenty of people with discipline who get fat because they over-rationalize what to eat instead of listening to their body. Bodybuiders, and low carb dieters are the best example. Perhaps take a look at the links I sent, or remain stupid like the Americans you accuse of being.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2011, 04:25:04 pm by Avishek »
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2011, 04:37:53 pm »
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It is very complicated. Simple people in the fitness industry believe in the simplicity of exercise more eat less. What I'm arguing is that it's terrible advice, which it is, since it fails to produce long term health or long term weight loss, simplest reason being stress. Discipline is irrelevant, it's about where to direct that discipline. Try getting people to lose weight with this bullshit then get back to me

Edit: There are plenty of people with discipline who get fat because they over-rationalize what to eat instead of listening to their body. Bodybuiders, and low carb dieters are the best example. Perhaps take a look at the links I sent, or remain stupid like the Americans you accuse of being.

so how can people then lose weight?

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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2011, 06:01:06 pm »
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People get fat in the long term from low calorie diets once exposed to food. These people probably have crushed metabolisms and may experience the same phenomenon once exposed to unlimited amounts of food. People with unhealthy metabolisms do not gain massive amounts of fat if exposed to unlimited amounts of food. This is what all the overfeeding studies have shown

Jimmy Moore of livin la vida low carb is a great example. Lost like hundred pounds form low carb dieting, gained 60 back after 2 years.

Bodybuilders are another great example. [http://scottabel.blogspot.com/2011/04/self-destructive-nature-of-willpower.html]http://scottabel.blogspot.com/2011/04/self-destructive-nature-of-willpower.html[/http://scottabel.blogspot.com/2011/04/self-destructive-nature-of-willpower.html]



Some science: http://www.cswd.org/docs/ltdietstudy.html




You're over complicating things.  Weight loss and maintenance of weight loss is a matter of motivation vs discipline.  Motivation = a short fiery emotion that makes you want to do something.  Discipline = ability to stick to something, and not chicken out. Americans satisfy themselves everyday ASAP, so how do you expect them to maintain a diet if they can't avoid satisfying themselves.  If you have discipline you will keep the weight off, if you don't, you don't deserve to keep the weight off.

I don't get the metabolism stuff.  Of course you will gain weight if you start eating more food than normal.  I think it's common sense. People aren't fit in America because they're undisciplined, and stupid.

That's just what I think.

are you insinuating that most Americans are dumb and/or out of shape?



kind of  ;D.  I gotta make it clear first I am American though.  I don't know how to prove it on a forum, but oh well.  If you took randomly picked Americans off the street and asked them questions about nutrition, and tested their "fitness" a large portion would probably fail.  I'm not saying most would fail, but probably a large percentage.





lulz, dont talk shit about Americans faggot, we dominate you.