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Your situations are not relevant nor possible because there is no way a guy can put on 50 pounds, stay at the same bodyfat percentage, and only squat 100 pounds more. Do you understand how much 50 pounds of mostly lean body mass is? I don't see the point of talking about a hypothetical situation that can never happen. Talk about reality.

Quote from: D4 on April 04, 2012, 06:08:34 pm

I don't think these hypothetical situations that are always deemed "impossible" are silly or unproductive though.  Sure they may never be a case in real life, but that's besides the point.  

Is it that hard to just look at the situation for what it represents: the effect of a higher bodyweight on single leg jumping, when the relative strengths are equal?  Just accepting the 'impossible' hypothetical situation and analyzing it will shed light on many things like the importance of calf strength as he put in the article.  So these "impossible situations" are actually very helpful IMO.

You don't make points based on fairy tale situations.

But anyway, "Relative strengths" for squatting doesn't necessarily mean one is "Relative stronger" for everything else. Look at it this way, Powerlifters backsquat more than Olympic lifters using the powerlifting technique, but Olympic Lifters front squat ATG more than powerlifters. So who is stronger? Stop using lifts as the only indicator, because there's a lot more to it than strength.

I've said this 1000 times

Quote from: TheSituation on April 04, 2012, 06:17:04 pm

Quote from: D4 on April 04, 2012, 06:08:34 pm

I don't think these hypothetical situations that are always deemed "impossible" are silly or unproductive though.  Sure they may never be a case in real life, but that's besides the point.  

Is it that hard to just look at the situation for what it represents: the effect of a higher bodyweight on single leg jumping, when the relative strengths are equal?  Just accepting the 'impossible' hypothetical situation and analyzing it will shed light on many things like the importance of calf strength as he put in the article.  So these "impossible situations" are actually very helpful IMO.

You don't make points based on fairy tale situations.

But anyway, "Relative strengths" for squatting doesn't necessarily mean one is "Relative stronger" for everything else. Look at it this way, Powerlifters backsquat more than Olympic lifters using the powerlifting technique, but Olympic Lifters front squat ATG more than powerlifters. So who is stronger? Stop using lifts as the only indicator, because there's a lot more to it than strength.

I've said this 1000 times

I think you're getting too technical with these situations.  Okay yeah I agree, squatting the same does not mean same strength.

But OBVIOUSLY the situation is just trying to say they have equal relative strength in the upper lower body muscles...  I feel like you're always looking for flaws in each hypothetical situation (which there always is a thousand of), instead of looking at the point trying to be made.  

Equal relative strength in upper lower body but one has higher BW, how does it affect unilateral jumping.  Difference is how the calves come into play.  Simple as that.  You don't have to find flaws and totally disregard the obvious points trying to be made, because it's HYPOTHETICAL but still enlightening

Quote from: D4 on April 04, 2012, 06:34:20 pm

Quote from: Raptor on April 04, 2012, 06:29:36 pm

There were actually two points that were trying to be made with this article:

1) Don't take back squatting as the only strength indicator especially if you want to improve on your one leg jump
AND
2) Don't ignore your calves for the exposed reasons.

It's like saying "winning money on the lottery ain't going to make you happy" or something. It doesn't matter that you also start spending a lot more than before you won the lottery and end up broke in 1 month, it was about making a point. You know, being metaphoric and shit.

And I've tried to lay it out with that example so that people that will say that increasing bodyweight while also increasing the squat (even getting a better ratio so a better squat relative strength) will understand that there's more to it than that when it comes to jumping off one leg. And there are reasons why the bodyweight must be kept down. It's nothing more than this what that article is all about. I think people that wanted to understand DID understood what I was trying to say there.

Sadly, I only realized this recently and just started adding RDL's to my lower body strength work which only consisted of full squats.

Quote from: LanceSTS on July 20, 2011, 09:02:11 am

Quote from: Ineedtodunk on July 20, 2011, 08:47:17 am

Hi Lance, so I'm a single leg jumper, and right now I'm am ~30" SVJ and ~38" RVJ.  I am parallel squatting 220lbs for 5 reps at 153lb BW.  Strength is obviously my biggest weakness right now, and I have been primarily focusing on getting my squat to 2xBW lately.  

But when I think more about it.  Since a SLRVJ is more p-chain dominant, wouldn't a conventional dead lift be the best primary strength builder for a single leg jumper like me?  Right now I dead lift around 235lbs for 5 reps, (I have been squatting much more consistently and I have short arms, making dead lifts a lil harder).  I would say I am good enough at using my lower body for dead lifts considering that my hamstrings are the main muscles getting murdered, and I lift the weight by snapping my hips forward.  However, what's weird lately is my glutes don't burn at all during dead lifts (just like my squats as you have read from my other post), and for some reason, although my back is pretty straight, my UPPER back tends to get a weird uncomfortable feeling after heavy dead lifts?

Well lately, I have been keeping squats as my primary strength builder, with the trap bar dead lift as supplementary exercise.  I am abroad right now, and my gym is tiny, and I would like to stick with what I am doing, which is 2 big lower body lifts.  If you were currently in my situation, which 2 of the following 3 would you do, and which would you concentrate on as your primary lift?  Squat / Dead Lift/ Trap Bar Dead Lift.

Thanks.

 Hey Ineedtodunk, in theory the deadlift would seem to be a better a choice for single leg jumpers than the squat but in reality it just doesnt work that way for many people.  IF your good at recruiting the glutes and hamstrings, then it can be a very good accessory, however what works best imo is to free squat on one day with ghr's done after, then box or pin squat from 1-2 " above parallel on the other day, with rdl's done after.  The hex bar deadlift is very similar to a squat the way that most people do them, however they can be done with high hips similar to a rdl or traditional deadlift as well.  For single leg jumping, you do need to pay special attention to the glutes and hams, but you also need to do single leg exercises as well.  If you know how to do single leg box squats they are a great option, lunges, bss, and step ups done correctly as well.

 So my advice is to push up your squat and box squat/pin squat, rdl and ghr, and single leg dominant exercise on both days.  If you do that followed by training the lower leg adequately, you have a solid set up for a single leg jumper in the weight room.  Make sure you are doing plenty of bounding, that alone can make a huge difference in progress.  You have to train that movement pattern over and over with progressive resistance/intensity to not only produce force, but to absorb more force as well.