Author Topic: People should watch this (Read 18441 times)

steven-miller · « **on:** July 13, 2012, 12:04:19 pm »

http://startingstrength.com/index.php/site/sss_mg3

Mark Rippetoe and Marty Gallagher talking. One of the topics discussed is strength and bodyweight and many of you should listen to what is said. You do not get such a perspective elsewhere but it might be critically important to your strength training success.

This one was my favorite so far, but if you have not yet, you should check out the other interviews as well. They are quite diverse, so you should find something that is interesting to you.

entropy · « **Reply #1 on:** July 13, 2012, 01:32:13 pm »

If you watch it, can I get a TLWW? Thanks.

LBSS · « **Reply #2 on:** July 13, 2012, 03:48:39 pm »

50 minutes of mark rippetoe talking?

TL;DW

steven-miller · « **Reply #3 on:** July 13, 2012, 04:43:39 pm »

Well, it is your loss

Kingfish · « **Reply #4 on:** July 13, 2012, 09:39:14 pm »

those strength orges are motivating.

in a nutshell

- massive caloric surplus + heavy weight training to get to muscle building mode, (and gain fat at the same time)
- weight training + caloric restriction to shed fat and maintain as much strength/muscle mass as possible to make to weight class.

this is the most efficient way naturally to improve the poundages. most people just find excuses not to do the eating part because (as they say), people want to see their abs.

they bashed me at the start - "if you are 5'10 170lb, you do not have enough muscle mass per height.." lol

TheSituation · « **Reply #5 on:** July 13, 2012, 11:18:00 pm »

LBSS · « **Reply #6 on:** July 14, 2012, 10:29:51 am »

GOMAD, BRAH!!!!1!!1!!!!1

steven-miller · « **Reply #7 on:** July 14, 2012, 11:02:31 am »

TheSituation is completely right to post that picture. It can serve a purpose for testing yourself. If you cannot become friends with the idea to have as much bodyfat as the guy in the picture at the end of your novice progression, and therefore for a limited amount of time, you are not psychologically prepared to do what is necessary to gain the most strength in a 4-9 month frame that you will ever, in your whole life, experience.
Of course there is individual variation and some people will not get this fat. I personally squatted over 400 for sets of 5 with less body-fat. But a normal guy, who has never been training in his life before and is not starting out as an athlete and who does everything right will probably, for some time, look more like the person on the picture. An athletic person will end up a little leaner than that, but will still carry some bodyfat.
If you are afraid of that, you are the type of person talked about in the beginning of the interview. In that case I wish you good luck with becoming strong. It might be very hard for you.

entropy · « **Reply #8 on:** July 14, 2012, 12:07:04 pm »

Quote from: denisbeck on P&B

Let me get this straight. Rip punted to a guy who knows his shit, but you got no suitable response. Feeling rejected and dejected, you came here. Rest assured my friend you came to the right place. We're the best of the best. A virtual cornucopia of training knowledges, especially me. I'm real good. The best. How do you think these other guy's got good? That's right, they listened to me. And if you was smart, you'd listen to me too. What I am going to say may come off as crass, but you've got broad shoulders and you're gonna take it and like it. Got that? Good.

The Texas Method is for REAL men who want to get BIG and STRONG. It is not for Fancy Boys who are worried about body fat, or their waist size. You wanna be a Metro Sexual, go buy a head band, leotards, Heavy Hands and GTFO. We're real men here, that's right, that's what I said. Look your 6'-1" and 265lb, with what I would term marginal strength at best. I myself started out at 4'-7" and weighed 110 soaking wet. Rode linear progression straight up, did GOMAD and ate like a fucking pig. My life consisted of lifting, eating, shitting and an occasional charity hummer that was thrown my way by some bimbo who wanted to see what type of weapon I was sportin', if you know what I mean. Anyway's, when linear progression ended, I was 4'-6" and 270lb. I lost an inch from spinal compression due to the 500lb squats I was performing for reps. But all that mattered was I was getting BIG and lifting BIG. Yeah I'm short, but I don't take no shit from nobody. You know what I'm saying tough guy? Anyways, then I started Texas Method, which was intense. I ate even more for fear of not recovering from the grueling workouts. I was eating close to 10k calories. I couldn't even sleep at this point because all I was doin' was shitting during the night. Then while I was up I got hungry, so I woke my hoochie momma up and made her cook me a meal to get more calories. Yeah she bitched sometimes, but I told her if she ever wanted me to deliver the goods, she better get her ass otta bed. That lit a fire under her ass let me tell you. Hehe. She knows what a prize she's got in me. Anyways, then I'd hit the gym and the cycle would repeat itself. What I didn't do was prance around like panty waist and worry about getting fat, wondering how many grams of protein I was getting', or what type of carbs I was ingesting. I just wanted to get BIG and STRONG. I used TM for approximately 2 years. At the end of it I was 4'-5 1/4" and 332lb, squating 7 bills and benching a little over 5 wheels. Deadlifts were quasi partials due to my height, but I still managed to pull in the high 7's. You have a problem with me only being able to do partials? I didn't think so. Most importantly I was BIG and STRONG. So if I was you, this is what I'd do. Train hard, there's no such thing as overtraining, only under eating. If all the food binds you up, laxative suppositories are your friend. Now pull yourself up by your thong and GET OUT THERE and TRAIN and EAT - TOUGH GUY!

TheSituation · « **Reply #9 on:** July 14, 2012, 01:02:37 pm »

^^^ That guy is most likely on steroids too

I'm fine with being a "fancy boy". I also Bench Press (although my bench is decreasing a little on this cut. losing weight seems to kill my presses) and Deadlift more than you (Your squat blows mine away), while having numerous roadblocks and surgeries, so I think I'm doing just fine with getting strong. You should take some notes from me.

My issue with Ripppetoe is he's delusional about how fat his clients are getting and how little muscle they actually are putting on. You're not gaining 35 pounds of muscle in 3-4 months no matter how much fat you put on. You probably can't even do that with any amount of steroids. Science would say the maximum amount of muscle (not lbm) someone can put on naturally in month is 2 pounds, and that's at a relatively novice stage and good genetics. I agree with eating big, but for naturals once you're getting more than 4000-4500 calories you're at a point of diminishing returns.

And after my "roadblock", I put a little more thought into my health (although not really related) instead of worrying what some fat 60 year old man from Texas thinks. It's not healthy to be that fat. Period

No Silly Bullshit

I use too many parentheses.

LanceSTS · « **Reply #10 on:** July 14, 2012, 04:08:46 pm »

Quote from: entropy on July 14, 2012, 12:07:04 pm

Quote from: denisbeck on P&B
Let me get this straight. Rip punted to a guy who knows his shit, but you got no suitable response. Feeling rejected and dejected, you came here. Rest assured my friend you came to the right place. We're the best of the best. A virtual cornucopia of training knowledges, especially me. I'm real good. The best. How do you think these other guy's got good? That's right, they listened to me. And if you was smart, you'd listen to me too. What I am going to say may come off as crass, but you've got broad shoulders and you're gonna take it and like it. Got that? Good.

The Texas Method is for REAL men who want to get BIG and STRONG. It is not for Fancy Boys who are worried about body fat, or their waist size. You wanna be a Metro Sexual, go buy a head band, leotards, Heavy Hands and GTFO. We're real men here, that's right, that's what I said. Look your 6'-1" and 265lb, with what I would term marginal strength at best. I myself started out at 4'-7" and weighed 110 soaking wet. Rode linear progression straight up, did GOMAD and ate like a fucking pig. My life consisted of lifting, eating, shitting and an occasional charity hummer that was thrown my way by some bimbo who wanted to see what type of weapon I was sportin', if you know what I mean. Anyway's, when linear progression ended, I was 4'-6" and 270lb. I lost an inch from spinal compression due to the 500lb squats I was performing for reps. But all that mattered was I was getting BIG and lifting BIG. Yeah I'm short, but I don't take no shit from nobody. You know what I'm saying tough guy? Anyways, then I started Texas Method, which was intense. I ate even more for fear of not recovering from the grueling workouts. I was eating close to 10k calories. I couldn't even sleep at this point because all I was doin' was shitting during the night. Then while I was up I got hungry, so I woke my hoochie momma up and made her cook me a meal to get more calories. Yeah she bitched sometimes, but I told her if she ever wanted me to deliver the goods, she better get her ass otta bed. That lit a fire under her ass let me tell you. Hehe. She knows what a prize she's got in me. Anyways, then I'd hit the gym and the cycle would repeat itself. What I didn't do was prance around like panty waist and worry about getting fat, wondering how many grams of protein I was getting', or what type of carbs I was ingesting. I just wanted to get BIG and STRONG. I used TM for approximately 2 years. At the end of it I was 4'-5 1/4" and 332lb, squating 7 bills and benching a little over 5 wheels. Deadlifts were quasi partials due to my height, but I still managed to pull in the high 7's. You have a problem with me only being able to do partials? I didn't think so. Most importantly I was BIG and STRONG. So if I was you, this is what I'd do. Train hard, there's no such thing as overtraining, only under eating. If all the food binds you up, laxative suppositories are your friend. Now pull yourself up by your thong and GET OUT THERE and TRAIN and EAT - TOUGH GUY!

lol'd irl

TheSituation · « **Reply #11 on:** July 14, 2012, 04:13:12 pm »

Quote from: LanceSTS on July 14, 2012, 04:08:46 pm

Quote from: entropy on July 14, 2012, 12:07:04 pm
Quote from: denisbeck on P&B
Let me get this straight. Rip punted to a guy who knows his shit, but you got no suitable response. Feeling rejected and dejected, you came here. Rest assured my friend you came to the right place. We're the best of the best. A virtual cornucopia of training knowledges, especially me. I'm real good. The best. How do you think these other guy's got good? That's right, they listened to me. And if you was smart, you'd listen to me too. What I am going to say may come off as crass, but you've got broad shoulders and you're gonna take it and like it. Got that? Good.

The Texas Method is for REAL men who want to get BIG and STRONG. It is not for Fancy Boys who are worried about body fat, or their waist size. You wanna be a Metro Sexual, go buy a head band, leotards, Heavy Hands and GTFO. We're real men here, that's right, that's what I said. Look your 6'-1" and 265lb, with what I would term marginal strength at best. I myself started out at 4'-7" and weighed 110 soaking wet. Rode linear progression straight up, did GOMAD and ate like a fucking pig. My life consisted of lifting, eating, shitting and an occasional charity hummer that was thrown my way by some bimbo who wanted to see what type of weapon I was sportin', if you know what I mean. Anyway's, when linear progression ended, I was 4'-6" and 270lb. I lost an inch from spinal compression due to the 500lb squats I was performing for reps. But all that mattered was I was getting BIG and lifting BIG. Yeah I'm short, but I don't take no shit from nobody. You know what I'm saying tough guy? Anyways, then I started Texas Method, which was intense. I ate even more for fear of not recovering from the grueling workouts. I was eating close to 10k calories. I couldn't even sleep at this point because all I was doin' was shitting during the night. Then while I was up I got hungry, so I woke my hoochie momma up and made her cook me a meal to get more calories. Yeah she bitched sometimes, but I told her if she ever wanted me to deliver the goods, she better get her ass otta bed. That lit a fire under her ass let me tell you. Hehe. She knows what a prize she's got in me. Anyways, then I'd hit the gym and the cycle would repeat itself. What I didn't do was prance around like panty waist and worry about getting fat, wondering how many grams of protein I was getting', or what type of carbs I was ingesting. I just wanted to get BIG and STRONG. I used TM for approximately 2 years. At the end of it I was 4'-5 1/4" and 332lb, squating 7 bills and benching a little over 5 wheels. Deadlifts were quasi partials due to my height, but I still managed to pull in the high 7's. You have a problem with me only being able to do partials? I didn't think so. Most importantly I was BIG and STRONG. So if I was you, this is what I'd do. Train hard, there's no such thing as overtraining, only under eating. If all the food binds you up, laxative suppositories are your friend. Now pull yourself up by your thong and GET OUT THERE and TRAIN and EAT - TOUGH GUY!

lol'd irl

You're just a pretty boy metrosexual

LanceSTS · « **Reply #12 on:** July 14, 2012, 04:58:28 pm »

Quote from: TheSituation on July 14, 2012, 04:13:12 pm

Quote from: LanceSTS on July 14, 2012, 04:08:46 pm
Quote from: entropy on July 14, 2012, 12:07:04 pm
Quote from: denisbeck on P&B
Let me get this straight. Rip punted to a guy who knows his shit, but you got no suitable response. Feeling rejected and dejected, you came here. Rest assured my friend you came to the right place. We're the best of the best. A virtual cornucopia of training knowledges, especially me. I'm real good. The best. How do you think these other guy's got good? That's right, they listened to me. And if you was smart, you'd listen to me too. What I am going to say may come off as crass, but you've got broad shoulders and you're gonna take it and like it. Got that? Good.

The Texas Method is for REAL men who want to get BIG and STRONG. It is not for Fancy Boys who are worried about body fat, or their waist size. You wanna be a Metro Sexual, go buy a head band, leotards, Heavy Hands and GTFO. We're real men here, that's right, that's what I said. Look your 6'-1" and 265lb, with what I would term marginal strength at best. I myself started out at 4'-7" and weighed 110 soaking wet. Rode linear progression straight up, did GOMAD and ate like a fucking pig. My life consisted of lifting, eating, shitting and an occasional charity hummer that was thrown my way by some bimbo who wanted to see what type of weapon I was sportin', if you know what I mean. Anyway's, when linear progression ended, I was 4'-6" and 270lb. I lost an inch from spinal compression due to the 500lb squats I was performing for reps. But all that mattered was I was getting BIG and lifting BIG. Yeah I'm short, but I don't take no shit from nobody. You know what I'm saying tough guy? Anyways, then I started Texas Method, which was intense. I ate even more for fear of not recovering from the grueling workouts. I was eating close to 10k calories. I couldn't even sleep at this point because all I was doin' was shitting during the night. Then while I was up I got hungry, so I woke my hoochie momma up and made her cook me a meal to get more calories. Yeah she bitched sometimes, but I told her if she ever wanted me to deliver the goods, she better get her ass otta bed. That lit a fire under her ass let me tell you. Hehe. She knows what a prize she's got in me. Anyways, then I'd hit the gym and the cycle would repeat itself. What I didn't do was prance around like panty waist and worry about getting fat, wondering how many grams of protein I was getting', or what type of carbs I was ingesting. I just wanted to get BIG and STRONG. I used TM for approximately 2 years. At the end of it I was 4'-5 1/4" and 332lb, squating 7 bills and benching a little over 5 wheels. Deadlifts were quasi partials due to my height, but I still managed to pull in the high 7's. You have a problem with me only being able to do partials? I didn't think so. Most importantly I was BIG and STRONG. So if I was you, this is what I'd do. Train hard, there's no such thing as overtraining, only under eating. If all the food binds you up, laxative suppositories are your friend. Now pull yourself up by your thong and GET OUT THERE and TRAIN and EAT - TOUGH GUY!

lol'd irl

You're just a pretty boy metrosexual

Peer pressure to gomad wont work.

LBSS · « **Reply #13 on:** July 14, 2012, 07:41:30 pm »

odds of denisbeck being a real person and not merely a fantastic troll: 50/50.

steven-miller · « **Reply #14 on:** July 14, 2012, 08:06:38 pm »

Quote from: TheSituation on July 14, 2012, 01:02:37 pm

^^^ That guy is most likely on steroids too

I'm fine with being a "fancy boy". I also Bench Press (although my bench is decreasing a little on this cut. losing weight seems to kill my presses) and Deadlift more than you (Your squat blows mine away), while having numerous roadblocks and surgeries, so I think I'm doing just fine with getting strong. You should take some notes from me.

My issue with Ripppetoe is he's delusional about how fat his clients are getting and how little muscle they actually are putting on. You're not gaining 35 pounds of muscle in 3-4 months no matter how much fat you put on. You probably can't even do that with any amount of steroids. Science would say the maximum amount of muscle (not lbm) someone can put on naturally in month is 2 pounds, and that's at a relatively novice stage and good genetics. I agree with eating big, but for naturals once you're getting more than 4000-4500 calories you're at a point of diminishing returns.

And after my "roadblock", I put a little more thought into my health (although not really related) instead of worrying what some fat 60 year old man from Texas thinks. It's not healthy to be that fat. Period

No Silly Bullshit

I use too many parentheses.

I am fine with whatever number "science" thinks is possible to gain as muscle mass per month (despite the fact that I am not buying this result/conclusion and I am ready to argue about the actual papers and scientific methodology, but that is really tangential to this debate). What I do know is that people that have problems putting on strength as novices are eating too little. It does not matter whether that is the result of too little muscle increase or whatever magical mechanism one suggests of being responsible. What can be universally observed is that underweight people that won't eat do not gain strength (bar a very small percentage maybe). That is really all that is relevant to validate the points in the interview.

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