Author Topic: My second favorite lift, and possibly the best exercise for vertical jump  (Read 27601 times)

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TKXII

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Posted this here because I think this is worthy of discussion. I thought of this exercise only a few months ago. And it mimics the RVJ more than any other exercise I've seen anyone do. Check it

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4vg1VnFaHI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4vg1VnFaHI</a>
« Last Edit: April 17, 2010, 05:56:22 pm by tkxii »
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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my jaw dropped at like 1:15 when you just come flying out of nowhere, doing a run up into a deadlift.. that was WTF.

pretty creative man, i'm not one who follows that kind of ideology, but i am interested to see what kind of results you get. Are you feeling any of these lifts in your lower back ? Make sure you're not putting all of that stress on LB, especially when transitioning right from a run up.. I mean, if you start getting too heavy and you can't avoid LB, you might want to do this lift off blocks/pins so you can keep spine neutral.



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Called, the RVJ lift. I train quite eccentrically; I have decided to aboandon exercises which do not mimic the following: A block start, full speed sprinting, a running vertical jump off two feet, a running vertical jump off of one foot, and a few other motions for the triple jump

In the running vertical jump (RVJ), the legs are usually used differently; one leg uses more of the posterior chain, and the other lifts uses more quads and achilles. In a regular back squat, both legs are doing the same thing. When I thought of this exercise I was ecstatic, because it mimics the RVJ ALMOST COMPLETELY; only the arm swing is not involved, and the back may be used a little more depending on your form. In my last attempt, I used my back way too much.

Lastly, notice my grip. If the left leg is behind the bar, the palm of the left hand points forward. In this case, the right leg is in front of the bar, and the palm of the right hand points behind you.

I'll write more about this on my blog, therawhigh.blogspot.com, when I find some time. TRY THIS LIFT! This was a max attempt, at 275 lbs, and a personal record for me. My goal is to get this to 400 by September 1st.

ya man i would caution against "using back too much" in that fashion, i mean, if you are using LB too much, that takes away alot of the specificity to RVJ too.

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how does the lower back contribute to the vertical jump exactly, either one or two feet, standing/running

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how does the lower back contribute to the vertical jump exactly, either one or two feet, standing/running

it shouldn't really contribute much at all, in terms of hyperextension impacting vert.

TKXII

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yeah adarq I agree that you shoudn't use LB too much. But w/this exercise Iit is possible to get into a deep squat postion and use mostly the glutes and quads as in  normal squat.
MUCH less LB used than deadlift and backsquat, think about it a little bit; the bar is in b/w the legs, directly below the hips (in front of the hips in the running version), which allows me to activate the glutes more than the lower back than in a regular deadlift.

Yeah so in the vid there are 2 versions, a 1 step, and standing. In the 1 step it is easier to not use lower back with proper form. In the standing version it just takes some effort to not get lazy and use the lower back.

I just took a vid of my max attempt at 275, then for the rest of the workout I did 225.

Oh and what freaks me out is, the day after, well for two days after I do this exercise, my glute-activation increases; when I walk up the stairs i feel the burn in my glutes, but usually i tend to walk up with quads more . . . very interesting
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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how does the lower back contribute to the vertical jump exactly, either one or two feet, standing/running

it shouldn't really contribute much at all, in terms of hyperextension impacting vert.

I think it definitely contributes something minor, a very fast contraction, . .  I've felt tweaks there from doing full speed RVJs, just like in a long jump attempt sometimes my abdominals forcefully contract sometime after the jump, and the back as well
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Bulgarian split squats are a good exercise that takes alot of the LB out of it

looks like a cool exercise though, good job

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That is horrible for your back the way you are performing them.

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 :D ??? :D ??? :D ??? :D ???

Hahahaha what the hell?
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

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I thought it was a joke before all the normal sounding posts after it.

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Ok adam, before you think you know what this is before trying it, try it. Yes this was a max lift, so only when my left leg is the plant leg, is my form minimally involving the back, you can see this in the deep squat like position. COming in with the right leg as the plant leg I did use back more. DIdn't I write that in the desscription?

And the bad for your back/knees/joints/whatver usually is the result of terrible diet that promotes inflammation and never properly heals. I can do the worst shit for my joints, incredibly high depth drops, high velocity exercises with dumbells, and I don't ever seem to suffer.
"Performance during stretch-shortening cycle exercise is influenced by the visco-elastic properties of the muscle-tendon units. During stretching of an activated muscle, mechanical energy is absorbed in the tendon structures (tendon and aponeurosis) and this energy can subsequently be re-utilized if shortening of the muscle immediately follows the stretching. According to Biscotti (2000), 72% of the elastic energy restitution action comes from tendons, 28% - from contractile elements of muscles.

http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Presentations/Shock%20Method%20Plyometrics.pdf

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Yet... :D
Current PR status:

All time squat: 165 kg/Old age squat: 130 kg
All time deadlift: 184 kg/Old age deadlift: 140 kg
All time bench: 85 kg/Old age bench: 70kgx5reps
All time hip thrust (same as old age hip thrust): 160kgx5reps

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Ok adam, before you think you know what this is before trying it, try it. Yes this was a max lift, so only when my left leg is the plant leg, is my form minimally involving the back, you can see this in the deep squat like position. COming in with the right leg as the plant leg I did use back more. DIdn't I write that in the desscription?

And the bad for your back/knees/joints/whatver usually is the result of terrible diet that promotes inflammation and never properly heals. I can do the worst shit for my joints, incredibly high depth drops, high velocity exercises with dumbells, and I don't ever seem to suffer.

Are you like 15? I could have done repeated drops off a high rise without joint pain at your age. It will catch up. This exercise is retardedly bad for you.

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Ok adam, before you think you know what this is before trying it, try it. Yes this was a max lift, so only when my left leg is the plant leg, is my form minimally involving the back, you can see this in the deep squat like position. COming in with the right leg as the plant leg I did use back more. DIdn't I write that in the desscription?

And the bad for your back/knees/joints/whatver usually is the result of terrible diet that promotes inflammation and never properly heals. I can do the worst shit for my joints, incredibly high depth drops, high velocity exercises with dumbells, and I don't ever seem to suffer.

Are you like 15? I could have done repeated drops off a high rise without joint pain at your age. It will catch up. This exercise is retardedly bad for you.

+1. This is the single most retarded exercise I have ever seen on the internet, and I have seen some bad ones. And trust me, we're being nice. The only reason I haven't linked to the vid on some less forgiving forums --and I know some people who would get a lot of enjoyment out of it-- is because you do look about 15. Too young to really deserve hardcore hate. But seriously, dude. Just stop. Stick to the basics.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

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And the bad for your back/knees/joints/whatver usually is the result of terrible diet that promotes inflammation and never properly heals.

Also, this part is fucking hilarious and makes absolutely no sense.
Muscles are nonsensical they have nothing to do with this bullshit.

- Avishek

https://www.savannahstate.edu/cost/nrotc/documents/Inform2010-thearmstrongworkout_Enclosure15_5-2-10.pdf

black lives matter