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So you read 51 pages of that thread?

  http://wgfforum.llsint.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=62

that thread ruins athletes people have been derailed for years because of that thread.. it is evil.

if you want to see some real good dialogue on iso-extremes, check these threads:

- ldiso questions: http://wgfforum.llsint.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=638
- attended evo-sport seminar: http://wgfforum.llsint.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=671

colbert/others get blasted in those threads.. those two threads helped break a few people out of being brainwashed.

   I have been up all last night and finally finished reading EVERY single post in the thread and I have to admit it was probably the most interesting and thought provoking thread I have ever read in my life.

ya, most everyone has that reaction.. but what you don't realize in that thread, is that most everyone who has been "trying as hard as possible to master iso extremes", has been doing so to no avail for years. Furthermore, james colbert is basically a fictional character with no credentials and no real experience.. he claims it took him years to master iso extremes, then when he finally did, within a month he put on like 10 inches on vert and gained 20 lb muscle, or some stupid shit.. Plus, he thinks athletes are capable of max sprinting 100% every single day and 1RM lifting every single day after you master iso extremes.

First of all, I dont for one minute buy into all the magical claims of the isos and blah blah blah.

good, those iso extremes are utter bullshit.. iso extreme lackeys buy into them because of jay schroeder's claims.. if you read the call em out on here about jay, you'll see his claims verbatim in quotes, such as doing depth drops from 20 feet or 80 year olds deadlifting 700 lb every day for months etc..

 The intriguing part to was if they could really be used as such a good recovery method that many of the posters were talking about.  I have read about the "extreme stretches" as used in DC training, Parillo, etc. and it seems that they might have similar properties.  The one thing that no one mentioned in this thread was the possibility of hyperplasia occuring from the stretched positions.  I realize the extreme stretches differ alot from what the Schroeder guys are claiming the isos do, but seem very similar in SOME of the positions.  Another confusing part to me was why not reach times congruent with hypertrophy/strength protocols, then add load?  

well, RJ brought up a good point about kaatsu and iso extremes, so their seems to be a correlation between the hypoxic environment created with 5 minutes straight of blood occlusion if a "contraction were to be held that long", but really no one has hypertrophied to any significant degree using them, or actually improved anything.. everyone "feels faster" when doing iso extremes, but if you try and bend a spoon long enough with your mind, you might actually think you bent it a little too

I mean that would seem to make the iso much more effective from a strength OR a stretching/ shock to the whatever the hell they think they are shocking that is eliciting these awesome hormonal and neural changes they are claiming.  We all know that an isometric done at the weakest joint angle carries over to the stronger joint angles as well, so wouldnt this make perfect sense to do shorter duration/ heavier loaded isos once a baseline level of competence has been reached?

ya, that's my point and other's point on ldisos.. but that's what WGF does.. WGF uses loaded isos, such as say iso lunge with barbell.. james colbert and folk say that you can't possibly work the correct muscle patterns by loading the ldisos, because then it becomes a form of 'yielding isometric', which in fact "they arent" (lol) they are in fact "maximum velocity eccentrics by pulling yourself into position and thinking about the sporting environment without even flinching" (lol).

I also would have liked to have heard more from RJ as he seemed to be responding well to them as far as what type of strength increases and speed gains he may have made.  I know he said he felt better recovery but that could easily be from the similarity to the pnf stretches if not much other gains were made.  If so I would really like to hear about them.  

he stopped, as well as most everyone who has done them.. the only people who have kept doing ldisos for years have absolutely nothing to show for themselves (unfortunately) other than the ability to hold a position for 5 minutes.

iso extremes are full of shit and that thread should be deleted from the internet.. chris K, if you are reading this, I would gladly delete that thread for you.

fuck i hate that thread lol..

james colbert basically got run off of charlie francis's forum for preaching the iso extreme bullshit, but nobody bought it there, everyone laughed at him including charlie & james smith.. so he found WGF and made it his home, completely transforming the enhanced inno sport WGF forum into a pile of dogshit iso-extreme forum.

peace man





ps: check out all of my challenges to james colbert in those threads i linked, not one was answered.. i actually do wish they worked as claimed, but they dont, and the people pushing them are full of shit.. not to mention they try to get you hooked on ARP.

  Well Im confused, do you like the  ldisos or not?

hahahahahahahah

  LOL nah I know those were ridiculous claims and that James dude that kept trying to use extreme lingo to try and ward off potential arguments kind of gave him away.  I didnt know he was such a d bag though and wondered why he wouldnt say what gains he made in the thread.

yup, because as "smart as he is", when you have NO REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE with what you claim you have, in terms of getting results with yourselves and others, then you simply cannot make up any lies that are worth believing.. it's too hard, especially when you're trying to sell a method would is supposed to turn avg people into archuletta's.. imagine if he said he had gained 5" on vert and gained 10 lb muscle in 4 years, can't sell iso extremes with that.. so instead, it's:

"i didn't gain anything for a few years until i finally figured them out, then i turned into a freak in one month, but i have no video or any way of proving myself, also i have absolutely no credentials or testimonials from any athletes i have helped over the years, but take my word for it iso extremes will make you into archuletta". -- lulzguy

  It was fun to stay up and read the whole fucking thing for nothing then.  That being said I did a couple of iso holds for 1 minute today before my workout. hahahaha.

hahahahahahahah!@$!@$!@%!@%!@

nice man, it takes a minimum of two years to be able to do them correctly though.. did you PULL YOURSELF INTO POSITION? bwahahah! if not, pull... if you didn't gain anything in 6 months, pull harder... if you're pulling as hard as possible, then you're not pulling hard enough, or you aren't thinking about sprinting.. if you are doing all of that and still no gains, did you flinch? if you flinch they don't work.

peace

  So did you ever figure out if Colbert was Schroeder? Kept me up all night again lol. clients in 2 hrs, no sleep but I did 3 iso holds so Ill be fine.

  So did you ever figure out if Colbert was Schroeder? Kept me up all night again lol. clients in 2 hrs, no sleep but I did 3 iso holds so Ill be fine.

he's most likely not schroeder, people say he existed at one of the evo-sport seminars.. he's either extremely obsessed or paid to preach.. it's one of those two.

pC

  After reading about every single thread on the internet regarding Jay Schroeder and his current stance on ldisos (all of which stemmed from trying to find a fucking video clip Ive seen in the past haha), I have come to the conclusion that he has developed a mental disorder, shortly after Adam entered into the NFL.

I would have to agree with that, except, I think he had one long before Adam entered the NFL.. The level of his lies are what strike me as "insane".. Those lies cannot even pass for "white lies", they are on a level of fantasy and lunacy that far exceeds rational and logical thought.

  Its beyond me how someone could have the amount of training knowledge he has, have produced training means that actually were effective (before the ldisos), and want to ruin it all by turning into a nut.  I mean, he was the first one I recall doing alot of the weighted drop and catch exercises, weighted isometric pauses (the way I saw them done on the vid), and  seems to actually have had an effective system PREVIOUSLY.

Right, I can't figure that out either.. The only thing that makes sense to me, is that whatever "brain disorder" he may have, he began to believe his own lies and associated them with his training idea of iso extremes.. For example, "he saw his wife become a champion powerlifter months after a car accident and all she did was iso extremes", so that weird ass delusional lie somehow created a link between success and the iso extremes... Now do that for all of his other insane claims and link those together, he just ended up believing it somehow..

You know, like these out of shape clients dad's you run into who claim to have run 4.3x 40's back in high school or college.. well, they've been telling themselves they've run 4.3x for 20+ years, so now they actually believe it.. if you were to ask them how they trained to get to that 4.3x, they would concoct some kind of system that they would completely believed to have resulted in their success.. so something along those lines happened to Schroeder.. He seems to be one of those guys.. I mean he claims 4.3? or 4.4? 40 yard dash, champion powerlifter, and all kinds of crazy shit.. I have no doubt he saw these insane acts of strength/power that he claims, but, no one else has, he in fact saw these acts in his mind.. they did not happen..

JackM said it best, Schroeder is borderline schizo.. This statement might very well be accurate.

  Pushing that stupid machine and his new religion of only ldisos and other wierd stuff wouldnt make him nearly as much money as putting out quality training videos, quality templates, and personally using his credibility he gained through the Archuleta performance at the combine to train a massive amount of professional athletes.  The only conclusion I can draw from it he developed a mental disorder somewhere along the way and is in no way firing on all cylinders now.  I mean this new trash hes preaching cant possibly be only for monetary gain or he would surely have taken the route I suggested above.

You bring up a great point... I have absolutely no answer to that question, other than he must firmly believe iso extremes do what he preaches, but man we just all know they don't... Somehow he believes it though and it's become some sort of cult-like training ideology.

Its actually kind of sad to me because I appreciate people bringing less traditional methods like the weighted drops, catches, etc. that he used in the past to our attention.  Sadly he has ruined the good he did in the past by misleading people in the present.  So yea, the dude has a mental disorder in my opinion.  He knows way too much about training and physiology to say the things he does publicly and make the ridiculous claims he does otherwise.

ya man, great post.. i too am disappointed he has gone this route.. I'd love to see him snap the fuck out of it and get back on track.. stop hugging the nuts of this lame ARP/iso extreme bullshit and get back to what he preached pre-archuletta. One of his interns basically put together inno-sport which was modeled after alot of what Jay Schroeder was doing back then, so that's about as close as you'll get to some kind of pre-insanity schroeder training ideology.

shit is so confusing man i agree.. possibly more confusing than Alan Barch Jr aka SquatDr.

Maybe he should photoshop a few things and that's it...

that whole situation still bugs me..