Author Topic: Interesting Jump snatch variation. (Read 17667 times)

JackW · « **on:** May 17, 2011, 08:49:44 pm »

Hi Guys

here is a video of a mountain bike rider I coach doing a very interesting version of a jump snatch. I didn't prescribe this exercise for him but he tells me he likes it and watching the video it actually seems pretty cool. Anyway, it was pretty interesting and I thought you guys might like it

http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=692pur&s=7

I would love to hear your feedback and thoughts on it.

Jack

steven-miller · « **Reply #1 on:** May 18, 2011, 05:48:07 am »

What is this supposed to do and why is a normal snatch, or normal jump snatch even, not sufficient in doing it?

mj · « **Reply #2 on:** May 18, 2011, 06:53:45 am »

kinda looks like a broad jump snatch. But second the above... what's the dude's rationale for the movement???

JackW · « **Reply #3 on:** May 18, 2011, 07:26:25 am »

He told me it was for upper body (shoulders mostly). I suspect he likes the dynamic nature of it and also the fact that it is pretty full body. As to why he doesn't just do regular snatches? I have no idea. He only showed me this video today. I saw it and was like WTF? I have asked him a few questions about it myself and am interested to hear his thoughts.

JW

Clarence · « **Reply #4 on:** May 18, 2011, 07:55:00 am »

Well you just summed up my 2 thoughts already...

Quote from: JackW on May 18, 2011, 07:26:25 am

I saw it and was like WTF?

and

Quote from: JackW on May 18, 2011, 07:26:25 am

As to why he doesn't just do regular snatches? I have no idea.

mattyg35 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 18, 2011, 08:33:13 am »

This is a stupid exercise.

JackW · « **Reply #6 on:** May 18, 2011, 10:03:40 pm »

Quote from: mattyg35 on May 18, 2011, 08:33:13 am

This is a stupid exercise.

It is only a stupid exercise if he is going to get hurt, or it isn't going to meet his training goals. He likes to do it, he feels it is very safe, and from my discussions with him and the nature of his sport, it would appear that, while unconventional, it is helping him develop his full body power.

Maybe he could do a regular snatch but then that does require a bit more balance and ROM, and in fairness, he has no need what so ever to hold a weight overhead.

Stupid? No. Unconventional? Yes.

steven-miller · « **Reply #7 on:** May 19, 2011, 08:26:04 am »

Quote from: JackW on May 18, 2011, 10:03:40 pm

Quote from: mattyg35 on May 18, 2011, 08:33:13 am
This is a stupid exercise.

It is only a stupid exercise if he is going to get hurt, or it isn't going to meet his training goals. He likes to do it, he feels it is very safe, and from my discussions with him and the nature of his sport, it would appear that, while unconventional, it is helping him develop his full body power.

Maybe he could do a regular snatch but then that does require a bit more balance and ROM, and in fairness, he has no need what so ever to hold a weight overhead.

Stupid? No. Unconventional? Yes.

I have to respectfully disagree with that. Not getting hurt by some training method does not necessarily make it unstupid. Your athlete found something that he thought might going to help him and which he thinks is safe (he probably just thinks it's cool because it's different).
However, is he really in a position to come to an educated conclusion about that? Isn't this why he has you as his coach to tell him whether something is uneffective (compared to other training methods) or unsafe? Do you really think this is a better exercise than a powersnatch or a barbell row? Would you actually make all of your mountain bike riders do this exercise because it is that good?

Raptor · « **Reply #8 on:** May 19, 2011, 09:12:30 am »

What if you have weak shoulders (for the weight your legs are capable of propelling) and still want to snatch, but don't want to take years of training your shoulders to reach that level?

steven-miller · « **Reply #9 on:** May 19, 2011, 09:34:23 am »

It does not take years for christs sake. You would obviously do overhead presses and snatch what you can and increase both regularly. It is rather unlikely that someone is able to snatch 120 kg and not have the upperbody strength to hold it overhead or develope it in a rather short time. I am a pretty good example of rather poor upperbody strength but not so bad lowerbody strength and for me lowerbody power still sets the limit for my powersnatch by far.

adarqui · « **Reply #10 on:** May 19, 2011, 03:05:25 pm »

i'd have to agree with most everyone else in here, i don't like it.. imo, just keep the loading vertical (traditional oly's & their variations), then just tie in "horizontal movements" using med ball/weight throws+tosses/double and/or single leg bounds for distance, sled work etc.

what i don't get is how that has anything to do with mountain biking?

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Maybe he could do a regular snatch but then that does require a bit more balance and ROM, and in fairness, he has no need what so ever to hold a weight overhead.

Stupid? No. Unconventional? Yes.

in that same respect though, he has no need whatsoever to throw a weight forward such as he's doing.. The only thing he should worry about is improving hip extension/knee extension/knee flexion strength/power, general upper body/core strength, and training specific via mountain biking + mountain doing bike exercises in very difficult gears etc, imo.. Is he going to improve hip/knee extension/knee flexion more using that variation, or traditional variations such as snatch, clean/snatch PULLS, high pulls, squat etc? One major problem with that exercise would be how long it takes him to "reload", with traditional oly's and their variations, you can keep the intensity low/moderate & then target the energy systems more specifically towards mountain biking.. ie cluster sets of 10 reps on snatch high pull, etc..

so ya im confused at how that at all ties itself in with mountain biking.

peace jack

DamienZ · « **Reply #11 on:** May 19, 2011, 04:09:31 pm »

Quote from: Raptor on May 19, 2011, 09:12:30 am

What if you have weak shoulders (for the weight your legs are capable of propelling) and still want to snatch, but don't want to take years of training your shoulders to reach that level?

So you snatch with your shoulders? lol!

hennas87 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 20, 2011, 10:11:07 am »

it sort of looks like what you would do when you want to do a jump on a bike. Maybe he's trying to simulate that with weights so he can do higher jumps, just a guess.

LBSS · « **Reply #13 on:** May 20, 2011, 10:13:33 am »

Quote from: hennas87 on May 20, 2011, 10:11:07 am

it sort of looks like what you would do when you want to do a jump on a bike. Maybe he's trying to simulate that with weights so he can do higher jumps, just a guess.

if true, that's some deeply flawed reasoning right there.

Raptor · « **Reply #14 on:** May 20, 2011, 10:14:44 am »

Quote from: DamienZ on May 19, 2011, 04:09:31 pm

Quote from: Raptor on May 19, 2011, 09:12:30 am
What if you have weak shoulders (for the weight your legs are capable of propelling) and still want to snatch, but don't want to take years of training your shoulders to reach that level?

So you snatch with your shoulders? lol!

Well no but you do need some good isometric strength to keep a heavier bar over head.

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