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I will start my argument by stating that after well over 50 years as a competitive lifter, coach, and gym owner, I have never seen a top-ranked bodybuilder, Olympic lifter, or serious track or football athlete doing low bar squats.

is this guy for real? what crap.

Now now... read the whole article...

I think there are more nuances that aren't being discussed in the comparison of the two, and one of the most important and understated of these is the foot dorsiflexion demands/dorsiflexion adaptations that the high bar requires/provides. And with that comes a ton of other "side-effects".

i did read the whole article. it's dumb, just rippetoe in reverse.

Well I personally have never felt any quad strength improvement whatsoever in the months and years of low bar squatting. And this is a big thing because I always collapse at the knee, in both the one-leg and two-leg jump.

I might squat 160 kg low bar but my high bar squat is still at the same level as it ever was in the last 5 years or so (and I believe it's a strength issue, not a movement efficiency one).

my default squat is low-bar but quad-heavy. not much hamstrings.

Well, my default squat is an ultra-high bar one and yet it is not that much quad. It does hit my VMOs but not much the 'outer' quads, while it hits hams and glutes a lot. And it is not a squatmorning one either.
My, anecdotal bro-science, opinion is that bar position does not affect much. Lance said it in here some time ago, it was something like "do you really think that moving the bar a couple of inches lower can make a difference?". So, imho, each one should follow the bar position that 'suits' him better and allows him to move more weight.

It's not the small almost imperceptible change of bar position on the body which matters, it's the style of the squat all the way throughout the ROM of the movement. Lowbar and highbar placements might facilitate bottom positions that resemble, on one extreme the deep upright olympic squat and in the other extreme, the bent over barely parallel lowbar variant.

Well I see your point, and was expecting it... but again - even with me improving low bar squat 1RM by 20 kg or so... my high bar squat 1RM has remained at a the same grinding 140 kg if I'm lucky. And I feel like whenever I jump, off one leg or two legs, the amount of tension I get in those jumps at the knee level is the same tension I feel when I do high bar squats - they seem so specifically "connected" to each other. Oh, and it's the same tension or OVERLOAD should I say that I feel when I do half squats.

It's like I want to express the posterior chain strength that I have but I can't, because once that power reaches the knee level the quads can't stop it from going forward and collapsing. Combine that with my heavy bodyweight and calf weakness (as of late) - and you get useless posterior chain because it's like pushing in sand - the quads and calves give out and you lose all your "potential" power that the posterior chain is able to generate.

It's like pushing a ton of power on a pole in a pole vault but the pole is very weak at the middle and bends like crazy with no return of force... basically no stiffness whatsoever.

So despite the video that you put - I don't feel like my quads are doing substantial work out there at all - I just sink and control the descent in that squat using my glutes and hamstrings, where the quads are just pretty much isometrically "kinda" contracting.

I know how that sounds but that's what I feel. Can't describe it otherwise.

Again, to sum it up - the same overload I feel in the plant of a jump, regardless of technique, is the same overload I feel when I high bar squat. If I could work it out with the slower movement, which is the high bar squat - to make myself used to control that collapse that wants to happen - then that should translate into the jumps as well.

In the past I thought that maybe I'm just too quad dominant and training with the high bar squat is something that will make me even MORE quad dominant, and that the low bar squat would make sense in that situation - but now I'm starting to think otherwise.

If you look at any great two foot jumper - they all have their knees go way past the toes and the quad contribution in their jumps is tremendous. It doesn't mean I should be the same, but what it does mean is that I shouldn't have a problem getting in that position without collapsing. If I do, like I do now, then I just have sucky quads and they need to be improved.